[Chapter-delegates] [Itu2012chapters] The Internet Days Conference in Stockholm Oct 23-24 - net neutrality session Oct 24

[Carlos A. Afonso]

Yes, by all means! One of the pillars on which the Internet was built 
and functions is: "intelligence is at the edges of the network". The 
only "intelligence" along the tubes is routing which must just do the 
best effort to transfer packets -- so in practice it would be the 
equivalent of "virtual dumb pipes".

frt rgds

--c.a.

On 10/10/2012 02:35 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> Dear Vint Cerf,
>
> I was at the Net Neutrality panel in the India Internet Conference recently
> and had some difficulty in insisting on the concept of a dumb pipeline,
> because I was given to understand that this is not the absolute position of
> the Internet Community. There has been some relaxation on the idea of a
> dump pipe, to the extent that the Community has been tolerant to the views
> such as 'QoS could be allowed as long as there is no special fee' or
> tolerate the view that 'discrimination is OK as long as the fee paid is not
> for exclusive access and if users from different qualities of Service could
> communicate across service categories'
>
> These tolerances have probably arisen - well meant-  out of a willingness
> to be flexible and make the 'necessary' compromises, but this has created
> room for destructive proposals such as the ETNO proposal.
>
> My fear is that a flexible position on something deemed necessary would
> lead to greater compromises and possible abuse. Shouldn't we be insistent
> on the concept of the dumb network?
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand that ETNO is now amending its "sender pays" to a version of
>> "sender pays for better service" that leads one to imagine that the service
>> for which both sender and receiver pay is "not very good"... incentives are
>> all wrong here.
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Jan Flodin <jan.flodin at state.se> wrote:
>>
>>> I have put together a session under the theme
>>>
>>> "Net Neutrality - Where do we go from here? I assume it will be of
>>> interest to our ISOC community.
>>>
>>> http://www.internetdagarna.se/ind12/program/talare/431
>>>
>>> OCT 24, 15:10  (3:10 PM) in Stockholm, Sweden, which would be 9:10 AM in
>>> New York, USA, according to timezoneconverter.com .
>>>
>>>
>>> The participants are
>>>
>>> - Matthijs van Bergen, Bits of Freedom, one of the architects behind the
>>> Dutch law from May that protects strict net neutrality in Holland.
>>>
>>> - Vesa Terävä, the European Commission, head of the unit for national
>>> regulatory measures.
>>>
>>> - Jean-Jacques Sahel, Microsoft, among other things, Skype!
>>>
>>> - Luigi Gambardella (!) , ETNO, the European Telecommunications Network
>>> Operator's Association.
>>>
>>>
>>> Luigi participates online (Video and Sound)  from Poland because of the
>>> ETNO GA there.
>>>
>>> The session will be webcast via Bambuser. It is always possible to hook
>>> up to the webcast by going to
>>> internetdagarna.se once the conference starts, but I will announce any
>>> direct link as soon as I know.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jan
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