[Chapter-delegates] US Six Strikes Anti-Piracy Scheme Delayed

Sat May 26 06:50:29 PDT 2012

If it is Philly, we can of course provide a meeting space since that's
where my office is located.

Jason

On 5/25/12 3:34 PM, "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

>We did discuss this in the hangout today. I asked for maybe some
>funding for at least one chapter member to travel, either way. Paul
>suggested Philadelphia as a compromise.
>
>j
>
>On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Markus Kummer <kummer at isoc.org> wrote:
>> We thought of NYC, as your Chapter had expressed interest first. But of
>>course DC would also be a good option.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>
>>> Will this be in DC, or NYC?
>>>
>>> j
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Paul Brigner <brigner at isoc.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Markus and I are coordinating on this effort, and we have a plan to:
>>>1) provide an opportunity for the CCI principals to describe and
>>>respond to ISOC members'  Q&A about the program (the panel discussion I
>>>mentioned in my note), and 2) hold a roundtable discussion with CCI to
>>>provide ISOC's feedback with the goal of improving the system (the
>>>meeting Markus described).  The public session will be held first and
>>>will serve to make the roundtable discussion more productive.
>>>
>>> I am counting on everyone who participates to help me keep the first
>>>session non-confrontational.  It will not be a debate but rather an
>>>informational session with the opportunity for ISOC members to have
>>>real-time interaction with the principals.  Our goal in the fist
>>>session should be to learn and to identify areas where the program
>>>might be improved so Markus can follow-up as needed.
>>>
>>> Further details will be coming soon.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Paul Brigner
>>>
>>> Regional Bureau Director, North America
>>> Internet Society
>>>
>>> "The Internet is for Everyone"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2012, at 4:45 AM, Markus Kummer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Allow me to chine in, as we had discussed this matter with David a
>>>>few weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>> We are generally in favor of industry self-regulation, but in this
>>>>case we also share some of the concerns that have been expressed by
>>>>civil society groups, in particular with regard to  due process. We
>>>>also have a few questions.
>>>>
>>>> I share Jason's point of view that a public debate needs to be based
>>>>on solid information.  A public discussion can easily turn out to be
>>>>confrontational. For this reason we think it might be preferable to
>>>>have some kind of round table discussion, in a closed session among
>>>>all parties concerned, to discuss the system, to ask questions we may
>>>>have and to look for possible answers. One of our priorities would be
>>>>to introduce some sort of due process, maybe in the form of
>>>>alternative dispute resolution. In our view, ISOC would be well placed
>>>>to bring all parties together with a view to improving the system and
>>>>we would be happy to support the New York Chapter in this endeavor.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We'd be happy to mount a public discussion event in NYC.
>>>>>
>>>>> j
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Livingood, Jason
>>>>> <Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I might recommend that Chapters interested in making a statement on
>>>>>>the
>>>>>> system consider discussing the system with the parties directly
>>>>>>involved -
>>>>>> essentially being briefed on how it will work - rather than
>>>>>>depending upon
>>>>>> fragmentary news reports. In my experience I have found this leads
>>>>>>to much
>>>>>> more informed policy debate. And it also leads organizations that
>>>>>>may be
>>>>>> critical to be able to understand the real areas of concern that
>>>>>>they may
>>>>>> choose to focus their energies on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can try to help arrange such a briefing if there is interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/22/12 2:14 PM, "David Solomonoff" <drsolomonoff at gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've discussed doing something on these topics and hopefully will
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>> a Board meeting this week to begin planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/22/12 12:39 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
>>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for putting this report on the Chapters list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yesterday I quoted it on Twitter together with the Pakistan
>>>>>>>>Twitter ban
>>>>>>>> as two examples of non-multistakeholder Internet Governance.
>>>>>>>>Decisions
>>>>>>>> made by governments alone are our usual example; companies alone,
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> barely any regulation by government, scarce if any (and internal)
>>>>>>>> technical advice, and not even a consultation with consumers or
>>>>>>>>civil
>>>>>>>> society, are another. That this happens inside a country doesn't
>>>>>>>>make it
>>>>>>>> a lot less signficant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Therefore, it is more local than global, more for individual
>>>>>>>>chapters
>>>>>>>> to address, but feeding from ISOC global resources of information
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>> educated opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are the chapters based in the US planning any action or
>>>>>>>>statements on
>>>>>>>> 6-strikes and other private children of the same mentality that
>>>>>>>>brought
>>>>>>>> us SOPA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>>>>>>> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de David
>>>>>>>> Solomonoff [president at isoc-ny.org]
>>>>>>>> Enviado el: martes, 22 de mayo de 2012 09:33
>>>>>>>> Hasta: Markus Kummer; Paul Brigner; ISOCNY BOD; Internet Society
>>>>>>>> Discuss; Chapter Delegates
>>>>>>>> Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] US Six Strikes Anti-Piracy Scheme
>>>>>>>>Delayed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> US ³Six Strikes² Anti-Piracy Scheme Delayed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Soon the file-sharing habits of millions of BitTorrent users in
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> United States will be monitored as part of an agreement between
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> MPAA, RIAA, and all the major ISPs. Those caught sharing
>>>>>>>>copyright works
>>>>>>>> will receive several warning messages and will be punished if they
>>>>>>>> continue to infringe. However, it now appears that the
>>>>>>>>much-discussed
>>>>>>>> July start date will have to wait until later in the year as the
>>>>>>>>parties
>>>>>>>> involved may fail to meet the provisional deadline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the coming months the Center for Copyright Information (CCI)
>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>> start to track down Œpirates¹ as part of an agreement all major
>>>>>>>>U.S.
>>>>>>>> Internet providers struck with the MPAA and RIAA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The parties agreed on a system through which copyright infringers
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>> warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After six warnings
>>>>>>>>ISPs may
>>>>>>>> then take a variety of repressive measures, which include slowing
>>>>>>>>down
>>>>>>>> offenders¹ connections and temporary disconnections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The plan was announced under the name ŒCopyright AlertsŒ in July
>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>> year and the first ISPs were expected to send out the first
>>>>>>>>warnings
>>>>>>>> before the end of 2011. But this deadline passed silently and as
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>> stand now it looks like the July 1, 2012 deadline is not going to
>>>>>>>>be met
>>>>>>>> by all ISPs either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TorrentFreak asked the CCI about the upcoming target date, and
>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>> response suggests that things may take longer than expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ³The dates mentioned in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) are
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>> hard deadlines but were intended to keep us on track to have the
>>>>>>>> Copyright Alert System up and running as quickly as possible and
>>>>>>>>in the
>>>>>>>> most consumer friendly manner possible,² a spokesperson told us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ³We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the
>>>>>>>>program is
>>>>>>>> consumer friendly and able to be implemented in a manner
>>>>>>>>consistent with
>>>>>>>> all of the goals of the MOU. We expect our implementation to
>>>>>>>>begin later
>>>>>>>> this year.²
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, it¹s taking more time than expected. That said,
>>>>>>>>the CCI
>>>>>>>> did inform us that they have finally selected a third-party
>>>>>>>>company that
>>>>>>>> will be responsible for monitoring BitTorrent swarms. However,
>>>>>>>>the name
>>>>>>>> of the firm remains a secret for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ³The technology partner we have identified and begun working with
>>>>>>>>is an
>>>>>>>> independent and impartial expert and we expect to have an
>>>>>>>>announcement
>>>>>>>> about the independent expert shortly,² TorrentFreak was told.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As described in the agreement, this independent ³technology
>>>>>>>>partner²
>>>>>>>> will first be tested by yet another independent expert to see if
>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>> data collection methods stand up to scrutiny. This is a possible
>>>>>>>>reason
>>>>>>>> for the ³delay² but there are many more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At their end the internet providers all have to create a system
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>> allows them to keep track of the warnings. To ensure the privacy
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> subscribers, this database of alleged pirates is not stored
>>>>>>>>centrally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoping to find out more about what type of punishments ISPs have
>>>>>>>>planned
>>>>>>>> and their views on the agreement, we contacted several of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Verizon was quick to respond but didn¹t want to provide any
>>>>>>>>details on
>>>>>>>> the planned punishments. The ISP did say that they believe the
>>>>>>>>voluntary
>>>>>>>> agreement is the right solution for the piracy problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ³Verizon has always said that copyright infringement is wrong and
>>>>>>>> through this voluntary consumer friendly system, we believe we can
>>>>>>>> educate our consumers and offer them access to legal
>>>>>>>>alternatives,² the
>>>>>>>> company told TorrentFreak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ³We believe this program offers the best approach to the problem
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> illegal file sharing and, importantly, is one that respects the
>>>>>>>>privacy
>>>>>>>> and rights of our subscribers. It also provides a mechanism for
>>>>>>>>helping
>>>>>>>> people to find many great sources of legal content.²
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other Internet providers contacted by TorrentFreak, including
>>>>>>>>Comcast
>>>>>>>> and AT&T, did not respond to repeated inquiries about the
>>>>>>>>BitTorrent
>>>>>>>> crackdown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The CCI, however, ensured TorrentFreak that none of the ISPs has
>>>>>>>>plans
>>>>>>>> to terminate the accounts of subscribers. Temporary disconnections
>>>>>>>> remain as one of the possible punishments. Which measures the
>>>>>>>>various
>>>>>>>> ISPs will choose remains a mystery for now. We¹ll publish more on
>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>> and other details of the scheme in the near future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>https://torrentfreak.com/us-six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-delayed-
>>>>>>>>120518
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>> (via shareaholic)
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