[Chapter-delegates] LoA for good or bad?
Eduard Tric
eduard.tric at isoc.ro
Fri Mar 23 05:43:12 PDT 2012
Agree also with the analysis.
As a member of the "LOA taskforce" , i feel the need to make clear that we delivered a preliminary version of a LOA , as the outcome of a task force called "Chapter of the fututre" , and in this respect, the job was done. The word HQ was almost never mentioned during the meetings, the goal of the task force was never to reform ISOC's inner organisational structure.
If LOA is not balanced, as you suggest, a wise decision would be to create a new task force with the specific purpose of modernizing (democratising, adapting) ISOC as a global NGO.
Regards,
Ed
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From: borka at e5.ijs.si
To: "Klaus Birkenbihl" <Klaus.Birkenbihl at Isoc.de>
Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:48:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] LoA for good or bad?
+1!
Very good analysis Klaus, however how to proceed is not still obvious. The
adoption of Bylaws is crucial. International organizations have assemblies
(delegates of the membership) that adopts the Bylaws.
Regards,
Borka
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to give my perspective on LoA as I announced in my mail on policy
> yesterday.
>
> Let me say that I don't think there is anything wrong with the LoA as it
> is, if you share the underlaying model for chapters. The issue is that
> some people/chapters follow a different model and this can of cause
> imply different rules and policies.
>
> So I tried to reverse engineered the LoA and Peter's slides as they are
> today to figure out characteristics of the underlying model. Find my
> first mail on this below to read some details of the findings.
>
> The underlying model of any LoA that we saw so far is:
> - ISOC has HQ that lead and manage the organization
> - ISOC has büros that extent HQ to regions
> - within regions there are chapters on national level or below to
> support this work - managed by the büros.
>
> The LoA discussion based on this model was on:
> - how to motivate chapters. Problem: there is no payment so what
> should be the incentive for their effort
> - how to measure performance of chapters
> - how to manage chapters that they follow the corporate policies
> and missions
>
> If we accept this model the resulting LoA is still a bit unbalanced
> but these are minor issues.
>
> Some of the chapter delegates plead to discuss the LoA once the new
> bylaws are in place. Right! Cause the bylaws should define the
> principles on how the organization is lead. I sincerely hope that
> the new bylaws reflect another model of the organization. A bit
> like this:
> - ISOC is lead by its membership
> - ISOC membership selects a board to act on its behalf
> - ISOC membership appoints staff to do the operations
> - the role of the staff is (a.o.)
> - implement decisions of the membership/board
> - report to board and membership and make recommendations
> - set-up and manage an infrastructure for operations and
> communications
> - support members activities that are in line with the
> goals of the organization
>
> Where are chapters in this model? Chapters are subgroups of members.
> They are not an unpaid extension of the staff. The membership may
> set some rules:
> - to ensure activities of chapters follow the mission of the
> organization
> - how to support activities of chapters
> This said: chapters - unless explicitly entitled- of cause never
> speak on behalf of the organization but can express opinions as
> long as these follow the principles of the organization.
>
> There are a few things that should remain in place. In order to
> allow exchange and co-operation between chapters there should
> be a dedicated part of the staff to support this. Chapter workshops
> are an important part of it - as long as the "how to recruit a
> more professional door to door sales force and train them properly"
> part is avoided.
>
> Beside that there are indicators for a certain amount of distrust
> towards chapters. (This may be justified - given the "provide your
> email to become a member for free" application that leaves room
> for fraud). Just to name one of the indicators: ISOC discloses any
> informations about corporate members from chapters - and does
> not foresee corporate memberships within chapters - though these
> exist. Let's work to change this - the trust issue and the
> integration of corporate ISOC members into regional structures.
>
> Below my first position statement on the LoA. A bit more on the
> detail but in line with what I wrote here. Apologies to those
> who received it before.
>
> Best, Klaus
>
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>> being one of those to deliver here my answer.
>>
>> Unfortunately its not the wording is rather the content of the LoA
>> Peter's slides don't improve it. Lets look at the slide 9:
>> - ISOC staff will provide some tools to ease work for ISOC (which
>> should not considered as a benefit from ISOC to chapters but
>> rather as working in ISOC's best interest).
>> - communication channels and forums (just the same). If ISOC
>> membership maintains staff this is what you can expect.
>> - member database (yet another common tool)
>> - Use of brand and logo. Ha? This is owned by the membership.
>> And members are us (as we learned on previous slides).
>> - Guidance and support through ISOC's Bureaus ... thank you, we
>> will let you know when we need your help - and we are not spoiled
>> by getting too much attention.
>>
>> So sorry to say this: there is no meat on it. The first four are
>> rather common peas not worth mentioning in this context - and
>> the last one is so unspecific that it could even be seen as a
>> threat. And as if this has to be justified slide 13 lists the
>> benefits for ISOC (from having chapters?):
>> - Positive presence at the local level
>> - Deep pool of expertise/feedback
>> - Strength in numbers
>>
>> These all are side effects IMHO. ISOC Chapters in first place
>> provide a room for local members to meet, discuss, communicate
>> and address local topics and issues. In many chapters members
>> pay a local fee and set up a legal entity to make this happen.
>> Of course chapters have a lot in common. So communicating with
>> each other, exchanging experience etc is a good thing to do.
>> If this all is well done it might generate the other effects
>> mentioned above.
>>
>> ISOC membership has an interest that any organized subsets of it
>> rather promote ISOC's goals than particular individual interests.
>> So ISOC can phrase some expectations to ensure this - keeping in
>> mind that chapters primarily are guided by their membership. The
>> LoA chose to have
>> - a membership of at least 25 (seems OK for me, but I head its
>> might be too much in some parts of the world)
>> - activities (well this is in the chapters own interest)
>> - communications - dito
>> - Governance (IMHO it should be completely up to the chapters
>> and its bylaws to define the rules. As long as it follows
>> ISOC's vision, mission. As far as chapter data is concerned
>> it might be OK to require that the chapter lets ISOC know
>> about its membership)
>>
>> The dashboards as outlined for HQ as well as chapters is rather
>> useless. To give you an example: it is without effect to downgrade
>> the member database as long as we don't use means to improve it.
>> For now the tracker seems to be ignored by everyone.
>> There is one slide on HQ dashboard seven on the chapters dashboard.
>> The chapter dashboard as outlined is boldness pure. No chapter
>> should allow to publish its data in the way outlined there and
>> take any means to avoid it.
>> As an ISOC member it makes me angry that ISOC spends money, effort
>> and excellence to develop such nonsense while our new website is
>> suffering from severe quality issues since it was published 3 month
>> ago without much progress.
>>
>> The Chapters guide should be seen as just another helpful tool to
>> organize. It should be left-up to chapters to select what makes
>> sense for them.
>>
>> So what about the LoA now? For ISOC Germany I assume we don't need any.
>>
>> If you want to do chapters a favor start with some rules from ISOC
>> saying things like:
>>
>> we will support <activities> by <kind of support> and here is how
>> you can apply <some form> answer is guarateed within < n<4 > weeks
>>
>> This would be a start and give chapters a base for planning. I hear
>> others (esp. Veni) plea for more chapter influence within ISOC.
>> Would not be my focus so much. I'd rather go for more members power.
>> But this said: isn't it ridiculous that chapters have to register
>> their corporate members as individuals with AMS? Did you ever
>> consider this insane? And why don't ISOC provide a substantial
>> share of the local corporate members fee to chapters who work
>> in their region - covering their Internet concerns too? Why don't we
>> even get a database excerpt for corporate members in our region?
>> Who represents the company to ISOC? Would be very helpful in
>> acquiring sponsoring means. IS there a need to protect corporate
>> members from their chapters?
>>
>> You see ISOC has quite some means to better meet chapter's
>> expectations (admitting that other chapters might have other
>> requirements) and show more cooperation and support. But a
>> LoA -as the one proposed- is not helpful by any means.
>>
>> Best, Klaus
>
>
>
> --
> Klaus Birkenbihl
> Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (ISOC.DE)
> c/o ict-Media GmbH
> http://www.isoc.de/
>
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