[Chapter-delegates] Does your Chapter want to be a remote hub for the Global INET?

[John More]

Just to complete the circle. There will be many people at workshops and INET who do not know the history of the relationship, such as myself (probably missed the emails when I was not monitoring them as carefully as I do now).  All that I would ask is that it be made clear that ISOC China is not affiliated with the Internet Society. The use of the name otherwise implies that there is an affiliation.  

I certainly was not making a call for their non-participation.  Like Veni, I look for participants on the panel representing the "public" in addition to those named so far if it is the "Public interest" that is to be discussed.

John More

On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Veni Markovski wrote:

> Joly, no need to be sorry for that - I don't think any of us would feel hurt or insulted by a disagreement, even if it is strong-worded.
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> I believe the point some of us are making is, that while we do remember Lynn's statement on ISOC China, not many people do. I also don't think we can object to them naming themselves as they wish, as long as it's ISOC China, and not just ISOC, or ISOC Bulgaria, or any other country. Also, let's not forget that there's an ISOC-HK chapter there.
> But I'd like to pick on your last sentence.
> It seems very strange that in the opening session it's not only that ISOC puts ISOC-China on the same level as the ITU and NITA. If we think a little bit more, these are two organizations, related to governments, and one intergovernmental one, which are supposed to engage in a multi-stakeholder dialogue, talking about the public interest.
> Now, I am sure (well, I am not sure, but I hope so) that there will be other panelists, but as of now, this web site is sending a very wrong message. And if I read it this way, with all the knowledge I have, I can imagine how uninformed users would feel.
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> veni
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> On 2/23/2012 13:44, Joly MacFie wrote:
>> Sorry to be contrary but...
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>> It's always been widely known,at least within ISOC, that the Internet Society of China is a non-aligned body with regard to the Global Internet Society. They have expressed in the past the imperatives, which we may or may not understand or validate, that make them choose this path.
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>> That said, engagement is good. We have, some years back, hosted their representatives in NYC. They were politely interested in what we had to say, as indeed were we the other way.  Not everything they do is bad, by any means.
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>> It really smacks of hubris for us to tell them what they can call themselves or, because of pique, not welcome them to engage to the best of our ability. Such actions can only play to the rationale of those that wish to replace the open multistakeholder model with a top-down treaty based regime like the ITU.
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>> j
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