[Chapter-delegates] Does your Chapter want to be a remote hub for the Global INET?

[Sivasubramanian M]

The fact that ISOC China is not a part of the Internet Society would be
understood by a very few; ISOC China's presence in I Net, in an official
capacity on a panel is bound to be superficially viewed by an extended
audience to whom the disclaimer from the Internet Society would not reach
at all.  The subtle psychological effects of an ISOC China statement being
confused for the Internet Society's position can't be entirely undone.

If ISOC China is not a part of ISOC and persists on calling itself "ISOC"
and "Internet Society", why bring them to the first Global Chapter's event?
 Unless there are reconciliatiory indications from China that indicates
that ISOC China would become part of the ISOC Chapter fold, with an
inclination to open up to International views on how the Internet should
remain free and open, in which case, Welcome to Internet Society China !


Sivasubramanian M


Sivasubramanian M

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:

>  Klaus,
> You may now know it, but ISOC has issued a public statement 10 years ago:
> http://www.economist.com/node/1352732 declaring that ISOC China is not
> affiliated to ISOC, and with such strong wording:
>
> The attempt at censorship in China is diametrically opposed to
> our principles and *we would never endorse a pledge to limit
> the dissemination of information nor similar actions *that you
> describe.
>
> On the map<http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/chapters-ii/find-chapter>of ISOC chapters, there's no ISOC China.
>
> It seems also that ISOC China is put on the same level as the ITU and the
> NITA. There's not even a panelist from ISOC itself, which seems strange.
> Hope that ISOC is working on this, and will not leave it like that?
>
> Also, might be good to figure out some explanation on the ISOC China
> engagement, given ISOC's statement from The Economist.
>
> *Otherwise, I agree with you - we need to talk to China, and ISOC China,
> but have to make sure the people who look at the program don't get the
> wrong impression ISOC China is an ISOC chapter. *
>
> Best,
> Veni
>
>
> On 2/23/2012 05:27, ISOC.DE wrote:
>
> Hi Ted,
> frankly, based on how the program looks today, I cannot make-up my
> mind. I also cannot make-up my mind to register. What I see today is a
> list of general topics that we use to rehash again and again. Which
> would not be so bad if one could see some spice. But instead of talks,
> abstracts, and information there is only a list of more or less shiny
> panelists. I mentioned this before and I wonder if, what we have now,
> will fill the place.
> This said: I was puzzled with the announcement of Mme Hu in the
> program. She is correctly announced as Chairperson of Internet Society
> of China. But this announcement implicitly suggests that this
> organization is affiliated with ISOC - an impression to avoid by all
> means (or is it affiliated meanwhile?). The "Internet Society of
> China" - an organization under control of the Chinese government - is
> responsible for such beautiful things like the "great firewall" that
> blocks much of the Internet today. Mme Hu is rather eloquent in
> defending her position saying "I don't want to live in a country where
> the government doesn't have control over the Internet". Don't get me
> wrong: we should talk to them - they are in charge of a huge part of
> the Internet (including CNNIC). But as said we should make clear
> that they are not affiliated with us (or we with them).
> Klaus
>
>
>
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