[Chapter-delegates] Why is ISOC is doing almost nothing to bring affordable Internet to America

Sat Dec 22 09:55:46 PST 2012

Ah. I had misunderstood. I didn't join until 97 or so, so a latecomer to
the party. But I thought this was it, that the IETF was getting to the
point it needed finance, and thus some organizational basis.

When, and why, did that arrangement come about?

j

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, David Farber <dave at farber.net> wrote:

> Just for the record (I was on a very early ISOC "Board") this statement is
> just wrong "original raison d'etre, is to be an organizational parent to
> the IETF and the IAB.". Vint Cerf saw , for example, ISOC as being the AAA
> of the internet. The whole issue of the IETF and IAB (which I was also on)
> cane much latter.
>
> Dave
>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>
> There are limitations to what any one organization can do.
>
> ISOC's  most important role, and original raison d'etre, is to be an
> organizational parent to the IETF and the IAB. From that grew roles in
> development and policy.The pillars were defined in the late 90s. In recent
> years the maintenance of Open InternetWorking the multistakeholder Internet
> model has become paramount.
>
> While at the Chapter level individuals gather together to get active on
> whatever is their passion. It is important that at the global and regional
> level that the Internet Society make a priority of high-level engagement of
> stakeholders to promote its principles.
>
> Universal access has always been one of those principles.
>
> j
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, David Solomonoff <president at isoc-ny.org>
> wrote:
> This is a great discussion and I'd just like to add a couple of small
> points:
>
> Based on my experience lobbying for a large labor union here in the US
> (United University Professions) I would say that to effectively advocate
> both at the regional and national level, ISOC NA must:
>         • Develop a larger pool of active members
>         • Probably have additional paid staff whose single task is
> community organizing. How this is funded and whether these people would be
> employees of the global organization or local Chapters is open to
> discussion.
>         • Have a consistent policy position and up-to-the-second talking
> points about all related issues
>         • Share contact info regarding legislators and news media
>         • Share info regarding relationships, conversations, etc. so that
> people don't tread on each others toes
>         • Have a strategy involving getting the active members contacting
> legislators and media IMMEDIATELY whenever an issue comes up with a
> consistent position using consistent language and talking points
> This is how all effective advocacy groups work - I don't  think there are
> any shortcuts.
>
> On the technical side we can work with other groups (like NYCWireless in
> NYC) to promote community networks and open source DIY solutions. As I've
> said before I don't think we should bet the farm on any particular
> "perfect" one-size-fits-all technology - rather act as an educational
> resource for all solutions.
>
> A lot of other open source groups here in NYC organize hackfests where
> they help people install Linux on their PC's. ISOC Chapters could certainly
> do the same for wifi mesh routers and the like.
>
> Also, perhaps ISOC could also look into IXP's in rural, underserved areas
> in the US like upstate New York?
>
>
> On 12/21/2012 06:05 AM, JOHN MORE wrote:
> > Norbert
> >
> > I think you make a very good point. I would note there are many local
> efforts in the US to increase access (reduce costs) from neighborhood
> networks. Gene Gaines, a member of the Greater Washington DC Chapter, has
> created a program of providing used laptops to all students from poorer
> families in his county on Virginia coupled with significantly lower
> internet rate from Comcast.  The North American Bureau could take a lead in
> focusing on the issue of universal (=affordable) access.
> >
> > John More
> > Washington DC
> >
> > On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/21/2012 4:32 AM, Paul Brigner wrote:
> >>> I don't think many would suggest ISOC-NA is not serving as "a focal
> point for cooperative efforts to promote the Internet as a positive tool to
> benefit all people throughout the world."  Of course, there is always more
> to do and more issues to cover.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Paul Brigner
> >>>
> >>> Regional Bureau Director, North America
> >>> Internet Society
> >>>
> >>> "The Internet is for Everyone"
> >>
> >> Interesting discussion. “...there is always more to do and more issues
> to cover” - sure, but that does not pick up the core of the question: What
> is the plan of the North American ISOC Regional Bureau to achieve this in
> the USA?
> >>
> >> This reminds me of a period of long and intensive discussion twenty or
> so years ago in Germany related to “international development,” where some
> wanted to limit this discourse to “international development aid abroad” as
> "a really important issue" - while others insisted that a discussion of the
> complex problem of international economic imbalance has to include a
> discussion of the internal powers at play at home.
> >>
> >> Is it possible to understand - and act - on international dynamics
> without tackling similar scenarios and challenges and conflicts also at
> home?
> >>
> >> Norbert Klein
> >> Cambodia
> >>
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