[Chapter-delegates] By-laws discussion during the Global INET

[Grigori Saghyan]

Dear John, All,
concrete example - is the term "Chapter" in the By-Laws. I also hope,
that Chapter and ISOC shall   have same positions. But with different
By-Laws it is impossible in some cases - each country has its own, in
some cases, different laws.
Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM


On 4/24/2012 2:09 PM, JOHN MORE wrote:
> You have made this statement before, but have given no concrete examples from what is in the bylaws. You are not claiming I would hope that a Chapter should not be free to oppose publicly positions of the Society. 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am not sure I can join today at 12:15, as I am at another meeting, which may not have ended by then, but here are some comments, and hope they will contribute to the discussion. They are only for the chapters' section, I count on John, Klaus and others, who have sent their comments on the rest of the document.
>>
>> General observation and notes: ISOC by-laws cannot require from chapters to do things, or to participate in things, which might be illegal in certain jurisdictions, or even if not illegal, might be delicate for implementation. The way the by-laws are written now, they are (again) somewhat more US-centric than internationally oriented.
>>
>> v.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/24/2012 02:48, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
>>> Not sure if I can make it here my 2pence for the discussion.
>>> we learned:
>>>   - ISOC is cause based
>>>   - funny enough according to some US legislation this can be used
>>>     as a reason to deny influence and control to the membership
>>> So the message we hear is (this applies to all earlier ISOC bylaws
>>> as well): we are allowed to do it this way therefore we do it this
>>> way.
>>> So ISOC took the easy way to bridge the gap between a - at least
>>> conceptually - huge membership and limiting the power and control
>>> to mostly a "knowledgeable" inner circle. This makes it easier
>>> to provide continuity and stability, but can also be the source
>>> of nepotism and cliquism.
>>> But what it doesn't reflect is the spirit of the Internet: openness,
>>> transparency and participation. Even the discussion that was set-up
>>> lacks this openness by separating the org members discussion from
>>> the personal members discussion. Divide et impera?
>>> Without getting to much in details: I would appreciate if ISOC
>>> would become an organization that does a better job in balancing
>>> pretension and reality. Wrt the bylaws this means that we should
>>> do a better shop in balancing competence, commitment and
>>> influence. This would much better serve our cause than using
>>> the cause as an excuse to continue to run a mostly closed shop.
>>>
>>> Best, Klaus
>> <ISOCbylawsdraft-20120320-edits-veni.pdf>
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