[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: WIPO First Outreach on the International Music Registry

Wed Apr 11 22:49:56 PDT 2012

Hi Eric,
In the absence of a prenup agreement, ex-spouse would get half of everything in many jurisdictions , being a songwriter or not  :)

Seriously now, i checked the web site and some relevant documents http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/export/sites/imr/portal/en/pdf/imr_scoping_study.pdf and found a lot on intersting things. 

It is indeed a global registry aiming to charge for consultation, but facing ACTA, it is the right way deal with an issue : identifying the problem, approaching (some) stakeholders ( music users associations are still missing ) ,discussing openly,  come up with a  solution .

This could be the first step towards a global license solution (that France and three-strikes laws countries hates so much) : users prepay ISP's a fixed sum; Isp's distributes digital creations from legal torrents;Rights holdesrs are getting paid monthly according to the real usage of their work).

I am wondering if ISOC HQ is following this (i thing it should ) . In Romania, there are vigurous discussions about the (un)fair distribution of such rights and the lack of a solution. We will organise a workshop specific to Internet and IPR issues , international experts are most welcome to participate http://www.isoc.ro/events/internet-governance-forum-romania/. So far , we have invited Olivier Iteanu, former Isoc france chairman (and brilliant IPR lawyer). 

Regards,
Ed
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De la: "Eric Burger" <eburger at standardstrack.com>
Către: "Elena Zvarici" <elena.zvarici at isoc.ro>
cc: "ISOC Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Trimis: joi, 12 aprilie, 2012 3:28:07
Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Fwd: WIPO First Outreach on the	International Music Registry

It is much harder than that. If you wrote a song and get divorced, in many jurisdictions your ex-spouse could get half or even all of the royalties. Then when they die their heirs get the royalties. Hard digital identities does not help at all in this all too real situation. 

On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Elena Zvarici wrote: 

Shouldn't be any more difficult then installing a Pki and giving out digital identities to the registered, legitimate rights holders, stored in a rights distribtuion system, basically a counter adding up the owed sum. 

The Nigerian scams are some of the greatest plagues of the free but unisentifiable Internet and they are still very successful at eroding trust in the Internet. Until people learn to use digital identies or design new ones that are easier to use and understand then the sometimes bulky and costly pkis. 

Elena 
Isoc Romania 

Trimis de pe iPhone-ul meu 
Pe 11.04.2012, la 23:16, Eric Burger < eburger at standardstrack.com > a scris: 

The big problem is finding the rights holders. It is very complicated because of assignment, divorce, giving the cook 1%, etc. It does not help that an email from the royalty clearing houses looks like a Nigerian 419 scam: we owe you $20,000, just send us your bank information and we will pay you what we owe. This data base is supposed to make it much easier for rights holders to get paid. 

On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Joly MacFie wrote: 

Hi Marcin, 

I asked Jim Griffin for a response to your query and he gave me this: 

This isn't about identifying works, as the codes are, it is about making 
available more broadly the rights information from around the world such 
that entrepreneurs and others seeking to license music can do so. 

That is not to say the effort does not encourage or even require the further 
spread of the codes used to identify sound recordings, songs and those with 
an interest in them. It does. Such identifiers are the pillars upon which 
rights information, cultural information, history, performers, background 
singers and other information resides. 

But it is to say this wholly different, and not a money registration grab. 
Far more money is spent in this absence of this information trying to locate 
rights holders for permission and payment, trying to identify performers for 
the same and for proper attribution, and so on. 

It is about using technology for what it does best, pairing people who need 
information with the information they need, and doing it for a category of 
content much esteemed on the net: Music. 

It is certainly not a first come, first serve registration for money 
opportunity. It is likely more about resolving conflicts and engaging in 
dispute resolution to find the true owners and administrators in each 
territory such that commerce and attribution are made simpler. Registries 
are more likely libraries, and libraries are more like registries, and both 
are very different from ICANN and domain registration. Proper music 
registries are about sorting out claims to what has already been made, not 
filing claims on new names for new things from which others will profit. 

joly 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Marcin Cieslak < saper at saper.info > wrote: 

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, Joly MacFie wrote: 

> A single, authoritative source of information about rights in music is 
> a universal and essential good for the development of a healthy 
> digital market for creative content. To achieve this goal the World 
> Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is providing technical and 
> administrative support to the International Music Registry (IMR) 
> Dialogue < http://www.internationalmusicregistry.org/portal/en/index.html >, 
> which engages stakeholders from all sectors of the music industry and 
> all regions in the world. The IMR is global in nature and intends not 
> to rival any existing copyright infrastructure but to establish a 
> system that will enhance existing databases and identifiers and act as 
> a platform for their interoperability. 

Interesting, looks like: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Musical_Work_Code 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISRC (actually supported on CDs!) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Identifier 

are not enough... Somebody looking for more money on registration, ICANN-style? 

//Marcin 
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