[Chapter-delegates] Kind Attn: Regional Bureau/ Senior Manager.

Aysha Shaukat ayshashaukat at gmail.com
Mon Jun 6 13:36:23 PDT 2011 

Dear Anne:-

Could we as officers have a copy of the members list please.This has not
been given to us despite several requests.

Please let us know where the isoc funds will be transferred .As  officers
we  will be collectively accountable for the expenditure incuured.

Please note that Kalyaan has been deleted from the isoc officers list. He
has withdrawn his resignation. Further the motion to oust him has been
defeated by a 2:1 vote. Kindly have his name reinstated. There have only
been 4 active officers in the Chennai ISOC Chapter- he has been one of them

Thanks

Aysha

*Hello :To all those who have been part of this ongoing dialogue for the
last few weeks:- *
 * *
We neither have an entity , a  Treasurer nor an official bank account to
disburse funds.This is after 4 years of forming the chapter.

Guests if any will have to be invited and the officers who have invited
them  will have to bear the tab individually

Any fund that comes in for an official purpose will have to be authorised.

We met for a chapter  meeting on April 19 at my residence and the
members  present gave the go ahead *only* for the IPV6 program with APNIC.
Not sure why the guests are still insistent on travelling to India
despite    protests from officers that we are not for hosting the progarm on
Core Internet Values. Further Core Internet Values is a geopolitically
sensitive topic . What is 'core ' in France maybe very different as to what
is held in India. We also have to be careful given the recent amendments in
Indias' IT law.We do want cross geopolitical views to have a bearing on the
functioning of ISOC /India vis a vis the Government. I do not need to
remind  you erudite guets that *ISOC/india is not a lobby group to advocate
varying geopolitical IT policy  issues in India.*

That said , we are a hospitable country .We welcome you to  attend  the
meeting as personal guests of the President for which you will bear the
cost. This will not go out of funds set aside for official ISOC events.

The morning program was not agreed upon by the members.This is an IPV6
program and APNIC is equiped to handle it. We see that foreign experts with
no expertise in IPV6 are being invited and hosted for this  event.with
official funds that could be used for useful chapter building activities.

 We have decided on the program and set a cut off date. "Indicative funding"
is a happy notion and we cannot work our logistics based on this.We thank
our friends from Europe who are willing to contribute towards the activities
of ISOC/Chennai/ India, but we do seek a full disclosure of the source that
will have to be authorised.There are larger policy issues invloved
here.. Any contravnetion of that provision would make us liable under
Foreign Exchange Regulations of the country, given the scams and terrorist
activities that are being investigated.Egypt is a case in point and we do
not want government authorities to get suspicious that private lobby groups
are working here.


 It will have to be an official transfer to the authorised bank account with
full disclosure and accounts.

With respect to Kalyaans resignation- the bye laws do not expressly provide
for it.

*Syed  and I have voted in favour of Kalyaan continuing with his position
and Shiva has voted against it. The motion stands defeated. Kalyaan
continues therefore.*
**
The Bye laws also do not provide for Mr. Sebastian as the chair- he  not
being an Indian Citizen. This is ultra vires the bye laws of the chapter
 and constitution. India is proud of its knowledge capital and we have
capable people who can occupy local positions. Are we saying that  we have
no one in Chennai who is capable or worthy of this position ?Mr .Sebastian
is a French national who cannot travel to India to partcipate in the
activities.Hence the idea of occupying this key position is moot.
*Does he Chair ISOC/ France if at all? If not can we know the reaons for not
doing so and choosing to chair ISOC/Chennai.*
I am sure he can contribute more effectively in his geographical area whilst
*we as Indian citizens are quite worthy of occupying the Chennai Chair to
forward the cause of a seamless sustainable Internet.*


*Mr. Sebastian, could you please make place for a local Chennai leader to
occupy the Chair.This is causing a rift amongst the chapter officers and
hindering Chapter growth. Active local members are being ousted and foreign
citizens being funded by the Chapter  to travel to India for unrelated
events. Key Chapter members have opined thus several times over the last few
weeks. This is demorlaizing to the Chapter as a whole , where positions are
being offered to non- partcipating foreign members and active local members
are being sidelined.Please respond and view this positively.The Chennai
chapter came close to being shut down once before due to arbitary discharge
of functions by  the President. We do not want this to happen again. Please
help us grow this chapter in the right direction and in a democratic manner
as laid down by the bye laws  and  Constitution of India.*
**
*We belive in a democratic style of functioning and self governance!*
**
*Shiva. kindly refrain from playing politics and pass the mantle on to the
Next Gen Leader as endorsed time and again by ISOC.The Chapter officers have
expressed similar views. You have nominated chapter mmebers who have been
your childhood buddies,etc who have contributed nothing towards the cause.*
**
*You have treated this chapter like a personal turf and done nothing much
towards creating a healthy united chapter despite beingb here for the last 4
years. Needless to add, you are even reluctant to lend it structure lest you
loose 'control'.Kalyaan pushed for it and you manuiplated him into
resigning.*
**
*Last but not least I have to point out the subversive ways in which you
painted a evil image of  the Regional Bureau Head and dissuaded us chapter
members from co-operating with him. So much for being a "LEADER". Glad that
I set the record straight on that. He is building and promoting healthy
chapters across India providing chapter leaders with mature inputs and
guidance. So much for black listing him with us on the Chennai Chapter.*

Hope this message resonates to all concerned
**
*Regards
 Aysha
*
 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Syed,
>
>
> We will keep you posted on the developments at the call tomorrow.
>
> As a matter of fact, your participation at the NASSCOM Emerge tomorrow
> could be of greater help to us in this event. We could invite members of
> NASSCOM and NASSCOM Emerge to take part in the IPv6 Seminar and in the
> afternoon / evening event, we can ask them to register at our registration
> page and send them Invites.
>
> The note prepared a month ago as Event Description that was sent to ELCOT
> is attached again. If you are free in the evening or tomorrow morning, we
> could speak by phone about this.
>
> Also, we still have a gap of about Rs 90,000 ( which includes overall
> contingencies ), so you could informally ask if any of the member's
> companies would be interested.
>
> The event description is attached again, for quick reference.
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> President
> Isoc India Chennai
> http://isocindiachennai.in
>
>
>
>
>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Syed Nazir Razik <fuentesystem at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Siva,
>>
>> I will not be able to attend tomorrow call with APNIC owing to my
>> participation at NASSCOM Emergeout Conclave (
>> http://www.nasscom.in/nasscom/templates/flagshipEvents.aspx?id=60909 )
>>
>> Look forward to catching up with you on the minutes later tomorrow night.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Syed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <handselconstruction at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please do remove me from all the mailing list .
>>>
>>>
>>> Kalyaan
>>>
>>> Handsel Constructions Pvt Ltd
>>> No 4, North Boag Road,
>>> Apt No 37, T Nagar,
>>> Chennai - 600 017.
>>> www.handselconstruction.com
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Mon, 6 Jun 2011 09:40:24 +0530
>>> *To: *Syed Nazir Razik<fuentesystem at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *<isocchennaiofficers at googlegroups.com>; kalyaan<
>>> kalyaan at handselconstruction.com>; ISOC Chapter Support<
>>> chapter-support at isoc.org>; Anne Lord<lord at isoc.org>; Rajnesh Singh<
>>> singh at isoc.org>
>>>   *Subject: *Re: Final Program For the Chennai 1PV6 Program.
>>>
>>> Dear Syed
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for taking time to respond to this message. While we would welcome
>>> Kalyan to our Chapter meetings and events, he will have to wait till the
>>> next term to be reelected to this or higher positions as a Chapter Officer.
>>>  We are not in a position to reappoint him as a Chapter Officer as Elections
>>> in our Chapter is not a trivial process.
>>>
>>> I am copying Kalyan on  this message and would answer his subsequent
>>> messages on his email id with copy to this list.
>>>
>>> In a related development on the IPv6 Event, with help from friends from
>>> Europe, we have received an indication of funding to the tune of US $ 2500.
>>>
>>> Will be able to discuss the sponsorship position with more updates at our
>>> meeting tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>
>>> President
>>> Isoc India Chennai
>>> http://isocindiachennai.in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Syed Nazir Razik <fuentesystem at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Siva and kalyaan,
>>>>
>>>> I just saw the mail interactions and sort of rapid interaction and
>>>> decisions that are being taken. Gentlemen I plead to both of you to take a
>>>> moment for things to cool down a bit. Pls allow me to point out a
>>>> few discrepancies here. It is totally improper way in which this entire
>>>> episode has been handled.
>>>>
>>>> To Kalyaan:
>>>> We understand your enthusiasm to work in making the event a success. But
>>>> short outbursts like this cannot serve the desired objective. I would like
>>>> you to seriously reconsider your mail and would advise that we gather a
>>>> meeting to resolve all differences with a constructive dialogue. The Chapter
>>>> needs support of vibrant people like you at the growth phase. You have been
>>>> one of the most active participants in the meeting and the youngest chapter
>>>> officer too. To pursue on a chapter vision we need to maintain a cool head
>>>> and take it one step a time. Trust me, together we can build this chapter
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> To Siva:
>>>> You are the senior most person with respect to ISOC Chennai Chapter
>>>> matters concerned (hence addressing you second) As President you need to be
>>>> *inclusive* keeping tab of sentiments of all. Not everyone will endorse
>>>> the same point of view in a diverse eclectic group. More than designations
>>>> we have been friends.We differ in ideas, that does not mean that we reject
>>>> the other person totally. While taking critical decisions exercise maximum
>>>> restraint and emphasize on bringing the discussion to the table. Pls be the
>>>> bigger person Siva and accommodate discussions.
>>>>
>>>> Fact:
>>>> We need to create proper processes / practices to handle situations like
>>>> this. Even matter of serious significance for the chapter like resignations
>>>> have to be handled with *empathy* and proper documentation. In this
>>>> case there has not been even a proper mail sounding to the effect .
>>>>
>>>> Suggestive steps:
>>>> Since no formal letter was recvd by the chapter office to the effect
>>>> there is all possibility to rollback the entire sequence of events. As an
>>>> immediate step I would like to take the liberty to *request* all
>>>> chapter officers for a meeting to all resolve all differences and work with
>>>> single focus forward. Pls bear in mind that the entire ISOC family watching
>>>> us .
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Syed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Kalyan
>>>>>
>>>>> It is unfortunate that you have decided to resign as a Chapter Officer.
>>>>> As explained to you over and over again, we have had very limited physical
>>>>> participation in the several meetings we have had, which is characteristic
>>>>> of a voluntary organization, so wherever there was some work left undone, I
>>>>> filled up the gap and did the work. This does not imply that we have an
>>>>> environment of 'being lone'.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have had consultations on our programs, and I don't recollect having
>>>>> stopped you from taking any initiatives except when you proposed that the
>>>>> Chapter should file a class action suit against Google on behalf of the
>>>>> Indian consumers on the Google Buzz issue. We may have legal resources in
>>>>> the Chapter, but we try not to be belligerent, and work constructively
>>>>> within the ISOC Chapter Policy framework which definitely does not envisage
>>>>> Chapters filing legal suits on every available opportunity. I am sorry that
>>>>> you might have misunderstood this decision not to proceed on this
>>>>> proposition or on other occasional decisions that I had to make as President
>>>>> in the best interests of the Chapter
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your concerns that we have still not formed a Society, I wish to
>>>>> say that it is not mandatory for an ISOC Chapter to incorporate as a Trust,
>>>>> which is a lengthy process with several compliance commitments, requirements
>>>>> such as the date of incorporation must be within six months of the date of
>>>>> application, penalties of late application to name a few. Other chapters in
>>>>> India have not incorporated under the Societies Act possibly because by
>>>>> nature a Trust is formed by a small group of people with ample trust between
>>>>> them, serving as Permanent Trustees more often than not. Also, we need the
>>>>> concurrence of every member of the Chapter to be included in the Trust deed.
>>>>> We may have some problem here as well, as it is wise not to rush into this
>>>>> unnecessary incorporation procedure, especially when we have a zero
>>>>> subscription structure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from your contribution to the Chapter by participation, you have
>>>>> hosted a Chapter Meeting once at your office and once at your residence,
>>>>> hosted refreshments, hosted a Tea meeting for seven of us at Connemara and
>>>>> were always willing to support the Chapter in many ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your resignation is accepted, but you are welcome to rejoin the Chapter
>>>>> any time, and you are always welcome at our meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>
>>>>> President
>>>>> Isoc India Chennai
>>>>> http://isocindiachennai.in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:37 AM, <handselconstruction at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find my resignation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to work in an environment who believes in being lone and
>>>>>> without vision for future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalyaan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Handsel Constructions Pvt Ltd
>>>>>> No 4, North Boag Road,
>>>>>> Apt No 37, T Nagar,
>>>>>> Chennai - 600 017.
>>>>>> www.handselconstruction.com
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From: *Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sender: *isocchennaiofficers at googlegroups.com
>>>>>> *Date: *Wed, 1 Jun 2011 23:07:28 +0530
>>>>>> *To: *<isocchennaiofficers at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> *ReplyTo: *isocchennaiofficers at googlegroups.com
>>>>>> *Cc: *ISOC Chapter Support<chapter-support at isoc.org>; Anne Lord<
>>>>>> lord at isoc.org>; Rajnesh Singh<singh at isoc.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Final Program For the Chennai 1PV6 Program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  @Anne and Rajnesh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did the Regional Bureau / Chapter Support authorize this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Aysha Shaukat <
>>>>>> ayshashaukat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'We' are the chapter officers who would like to convene for a chapter
>>>>>>> meeting and invite everyone interested  in making this event a success.This
>>>>>>> was discussed with the Regional Bureau Head and Senior Manager Anne who
>>>>>>> suggested that we put up a 'fix it' list and pursue activities that will
>>>>>>> help rejuvenate the chapter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other active members( Syed and Kalyaan) have already written in
>>>>>>> expressing their views.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not obstruct activities that are aimed towards promoting
>>>>>>> this chapter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have been in this  position for the last four years-  we dont
>>>>>>> have an entity in place as yet or for that matter even a bank account that
>>>>>>> would help us in promoting the chapter.
>>>>>>> Please let good sense prevail at your end and  allow the New
>>>>>>> Generation Leaders do the job.As officers we have a 'right to information'
>>>>>>> and nothing has been provided to us despite several requests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that opening a bank account in the name of
>>>>>>> ISOC/Chennai is unauthorised? We are trying to streamline chapter activities
>>>>>>> and what is your objection here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aysha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>>>> isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Aysha Shaukat <
>>>>>>>> ayshashaukat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Pursuant to our discussion of yesterday:_
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With about 25 days left for the program , we have decided to stop
>>>>>>>>> further deliberations
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who are "we" ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on notional funding and work with  the available funds, i.e
>>>>>>>>> $2000 dollars from I SOC..
>>>>>>>>> We thank APNIC in  helping us facilitate this program and bear some
>>>>>>>>> of the expenses. Given their punishing schedule we convey our appreciation
>>>>>>>>> for extending this favor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. There will be an evening event with the APNIC speakers on the
>>>>>>>>> 26th June Sunday 6.30 pm. This  will be a seminar for 3 hours. Our
>>>>>>>>> understanding with APNIC was thus. ISOC/ Chennai will provide high tea and a
>>>>>>>>> kit to the participants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. A  full day  1PV6 workshop will be held for the  participants on
>>>>>>>>> the following three days with lunch and  tea(to be provided by
>>>>>>>>> ( ISOC/ Chennai).A workshop kit will be provided by APNIC. The
>>>>>>>>> Auditorium cost will be borne by ISOC Chennai.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have funding from ISOC to cover the event cost that includes :-
>>>>>>>>>       Speaker accommodation and travel(APNIC is taking care of
>>>>>>>>> these expenses)
>>>>>>>>>       Event space
>>>>>>>>>       Promotional materials, media coverage and marketing
>>>>>>>>>       Food and beverages;
>>>>>>>>>       Other event supplies and incidentals
>>>>>>>>>  http://isoc.org/wp/chapter-events/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :Kalyaan is working on opening a bank account in the name of ISOC/
>>>>>>>>> Chennai Chapter that has not been put in place over the last four years. The
>>>>>>>>> treasurer and two other member who are residents of Chennai will be joint
>>>>>>>>> signatories to the account as discussed yesterday and disburse funds for
>>>>>>>>> this event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is unauthorized.  And, we don't have a Treasurer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also if any of you have any leads on how to invite media , please
>>>>>>>>> let us know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  We will speak to Champike(APNIC) on the 7th June Tuesday  to
>>>>>>>>> finalize on the number of registrations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The Chennai officers will meet this weekend to finalize the budget
>>>>>>>>> and work around it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have not called for this meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>> President.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Aysha Shaukat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Director -at-Large
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ISOC/Chennai
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Aysha Shaukat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Syed Nazir Razik
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/orione
>>>>
>>>> Search  " Syed Nazir Razik "
>>>>
>>>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>>> change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margret Mead
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Syed Nazir Razik
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/orione
>>
>> Search  " Syed Nazir Razik "
>>
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>> change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margret Mead
>>
>
>


-- 
Aysha Shaukat



-- 
Aysha Shaukat
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