[Chapter-delegates] Egypt blocking Facebook & Twitter

Sun Jan 30 06:10:34 PST 2011

Hi All,

the scenario of Egypt gives us an opportunity to frame guidelines on how to
handle if such a situation arises again on a bigger scale. which could be
shared with local and global communities.

Egypt has .85 % of the total internet users. the impact in term of global
productivity or value creation might have be minimal right now.

for example what would be the scenario if this situation happens in India or
China or any of the bigger economies in the developed world.

if we could develop and propose the impact management guidelines for
affected communities both for governments and citizens. this should help in
 faster transition for present case and also for future.

gogineni kalyaan kumar

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the big shift that we are witnessing with the disconnection of
> telecommunications and Internet access in Egypt is that finally a government
> has quite explicitly (for all we know) decided to go for the "kill switch"
> and operated it.
>
> We thought it would require great daring and now someone actually dared.
>
> The risk-management equation for the Internet as a whole has changed, maybe
> irreversibly.
>
> We will have much work in the aftermath of what's going on in Egypt. One
> part for sure will be a damage assessment. RFC 1591 reminds us that keeping
> the Internet running in a territory is a responsibility before both the
> local and the global Internet community. Amassing evidence on both sides
> will be vital to support the argument that you don't cut off the Internet
> much more than you dry the sea.
>
> We will also have to work through the clouds of confusion in the debates
> about the contribution of the Internet, or rather specific services like
> Facebook and Twitter, and non-Internet telecommunications like SMS, to the
> uprising in Tunis and the ongoing situation in Egypt. These are higher-layer
> issues than physical connection and signalling and we tend to have less of a
> body of work in those layers. Let's make sure ISOC is not late to that
> party. We would be debating the recent publications of Malcolm Gladwell and
> Evgeny Morozov on one side, Clay Shirky on the other, and a very productive
> line of analysis which I see represented by Zeynep Tufecki in this field.
> They've sort of just passed above our (collective) head somehow.
>
> Oh and I'll gladly join whoever bemoans the demise of the ISTF...
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:
>
>  Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:42:41 +0100
>>
>> From: Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net>
>> To: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org, patrick at vande-walle.eu
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Egypt blocking Facebook & Twitter
>>
>> Incidentally I don't want to ascribe the same motives to those promoting
>> disconnection polices in the US, UK and similar nations to those in
>> countries where political censorship is the motive.
>>
>> But I do think that the deep societal implications of disconnection are
>> not understood and the likelihood of crude implementation of such policies
>> will make things worse. Crude because we do not have the policing, judicial
>> and oversight institutions in place to manage these things sensitively
>> leading to inevitable collateral damage.
>>
>> On rights.
>>
>> Do you define and so tie up the Internet processes including IETF, W3C
>> with keeping innovation to what it is legally defined to be?
>> Do you by making such a definition encourage service providers to offer
>> services that are outside that definition so as to avoid human rights
>> legislation?
>>
>> Can you provide a right of access to unfettered communications?  (within a
>> legal framework) when you don't have universal network connectivity?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> On 29 Jan 2011, at 13:15, Franck Martin wrote:
>>
>>  There used to be an initiative from the French and Dutch government to
>>> make the Internet an fundamental Right in a democracy... I spoke about it
>>> earlier...
>>>
>>> Seems ISOC HQ was not interested at the time...
>>>
>>> Franck Martin
>>> http://www.avonsys.com/
>>> http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys
>>> twitter: FranckMartin Avonsys
>>>
>>> Check your domain reputation: http://gurl.im/b69d4o
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Christian de Larrinaga" <cdel at firsthand.net>
>>> To: "Franck Martin" <franck at avonsys.com>
>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org, patrick at vande-walle.eu
>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 January, 2011 1:09:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Egypt blocking Facebook & Twitter
>>>
>>> It is notable that the debate politically has moved since the banking
>>> crisis from an open Internet to domain name seizure and now physical and
>>> signalling disconnections and not just in Egypt, but in UK, USA, Europe and
>>> so on.
>>>
>>> The implications of damage to the economic, societal and political life
>>> in and between countries if such a policy were to be implemented are simply
>>> unfathomable. Perhaps the Egyptian situation may give cause for pause. I
>>> hope so.
>>>
>>> I see from the article that Lynn is in Davos. This gives an opportunity
>>> to press the point that such policies are liable to increase instabilities
>>> not just locally or regionally but in the case of US, UK and other highly
>>> connected countries globally. Egypt is not an example to follow. It is an
>>> important message.
>>>
>>> Local disconnections imply global disconnections. It is a foreign policy
>>> and world trade issue not simply one of internal security.
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> On 29 Jan 2011, at 12:39, Franck Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/how_governments_can_flip_the_i.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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