[Chapter-delegates] .org domain seized by U.S. Department of Justice

[Kabani]

This is very unique, What should Internet Society should do.

K

On 3 February 2011 13:25, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

> Certainly in the November efforts I think it was well established that it
> was Verisign. But I do belive they were US registrars.
>
> After a little looking around I found an affidavit from November
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/45473003/ICE-affidavit-partial
>
> It would appear to be directed at both registry and registrars..
> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/45473003/ICE-affidavit-partial>
>
> with some discussion of it's basis here
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/01190512310/homeland-security-presents-evidence-domain-seizures-proves-it-knows-little-about-internet---law.shtml
> and more here
> http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1670
>
> One thing is evident - it is very media driven. The November takedowns were
> aimed at 'Black Monday' and this time it's the Superbowl.
>
> j
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Patrick Vande Walle <
> patrick at vande-walle.eu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:59:37 -0500, Eric Burger wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure this has anything to do with the registry? I just did some
> > whois searches on some seized domains, not just rojadirecta.com, and the
> > entries look like normal registrations, done by normal registrars, only
> > pointing to ICE servers, not the original registrant's servers.
> >
> > Has there been a case anywhere in the world where a domain was taken
> where
> > the registrant's registrar was not in the U.S.? I am asking for
> > informational purposes - I do not know the answer and would be quite
> > interested in the answer.
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > Of course, I am not totally sure this has anything to do with the
> registry.
> > How could I ? The deafening silence of PIR on the case does not help. It
> > could be the registrar, but again, GoDaddy did not comment the issue
> either.
> > According to this post on another list, it was indeed the registry that
> > received the notice from the court, although I could not verify the
> > information:
> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/2011q1/007570.html
> >
> > I would be relieved if this has happened on the registrar level. At
> least,
> > registrants have a choice when choosing registrars and can factor in that
> > sort of risk. At the registry level, this is not the case, unless you
> want
> > to move to another TLD.
> >
> > My concern here is that this creates a legal uncertainty for domain name
> > registrants in .org, which may lead to less registrations, less profits
> and
> > finally less moneyfor ISOC.  PIR needs to speak up to reassure its
> customer
> > base.
> >
> > I do not have the answer to your second question. I think such cases are
> > still minimal.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
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