[Chapter-delegates] Internetworking

Fri May 14 11:25:55 PDT 2010

Leslie 

It will be interesting to see where the balance will emerge between peers making their own decisions and these broader initiatives. As a guess viable solutions won't interfere with what peers do or can do but add some support to help make better decisions and flag problems. 

It might help for instance if operators could use the Internet and not have to rely on steam phones and prayers to relay problems. 

It is great to see the work in ISOC technical directorate bringing some of these threads together. 

cheers!

Christian

On 13 May 2010, at 02:11, Leslie Daigle wrote:

> 
> Franck,
> 
> This was helpful to me to understand what you were intending by sending the link:  you wrote, "The article is about the fragility of BGP".
> 
> Which was different from what I got out of simply following the URL -- the article I read was about one author's misapphrehension of how the Internet works, or sometimes fails to work.   For example, "When you send an e-mail, view a Web page or do anything else online, the information you read and transmit is handed from one carrier of Internet data to another, sometimes in a long chain." and "each carrier along the way figures out how to route the data based only on what the surrounding carriers in the chain say, rather than by looking at the whole path. ".  The author says that like it's a bad thing...  but, quite honestly, that's the power of the internetworking system.  Yes sometimes that means it fails, but it is what allows the Internet to route around congestion, as well as keep working when physical chunks of the world, large (e.g., New York) or small (e.g., a small cable cut) fall down.
> 
> From my perspective, we don't have the resources to chase after every instance of that level of misapprehension -- if someone _wants_ to see danger in the Internet, they will.
> 
> However, on the issue of BGP -- its status, security and the shape of the Internet -- there is considerable work being put into making a viable mechanism for authenticating routing claims (RPKI), which would help prevent malicious attacks.  In the nearer term, there are things that operators are looking to do based on existing knowledge and routing registries -- see the readout from an ISOC operator roundtable to the IETF SIDR working group, here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/76/slides/sidr-5.pdf ).    And it does come back to bandwidth -- those "long chains" are getting shorter, as described in the Arbor presentation at the ISOC briefing panel at IETF 76 (materials referenced off the bandwidth page cited below).
> 
> Leslie.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
> 
>> Bandwidth?
>> 
>> The article is about the fragility of BGP.... It is a hot topic raised by AP (published in a few papers like NYT) and once again no comment from ISOC about it. Are we letting people control the Internet instead of securing it? I would not be surprised to see it as an ITU initiative soon.
>> 
>> I'm only poking you, because I know you can provide information/guidance in a paragraph. And to paraphrase Patrik "We are not working on it" is also a good answer, in that case I/we can raise the matter to the board, unless the board has already strategised the issue?
>> 
>> 
>> Franck Martin
>> http://www.avonsys.com/
>> http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys
>> twitter: FranckMartin Avonsys
>> 
>> Check your domain reputation: http://gurl.im/b69d4o
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Leslie Daigle" <daigle at isoc.org>
>> To: "Franck Martin" <franck at avonsys.com>
>> Cc: "Sabrina Wilmot" <wilmot at isoc.org>, chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 8:09:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internetworking
>> 
>> Hi Franck,
>> 
>> Why do I feel that, if I answer one of these questions wrong, I'll be
>> flung into a bottomless chasm? ;-) ("You must answer these questions
>> three..." -- with apologies to anyone who isn't a Monty Python fan,
>> and perhaps to those who are, too ;-) ).
>> 
>> 
>> Since I'm responsible for guiding this initiative, let me offer some
>> answers:
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>> 
>>> Let me ask again, what is the status on this initiative?
>> 
>> The status of the initiative is described in the material Sabrina
>> forwarded: the report to the Board. (InterNetWorks is one of the
>> index items, so you can get straight to it).
>> 
>>> 
>>> Where is the Technical Briefing on bandwidth management? Where is
>>> the policy position paper?
>> 
>> All the material is available on the bandwidth landing page of the
>> website: http://www.isoc.org/bandwidth .
>> 
>>> What has been accomplished in 2009?
>> 
>> I can point you at the December Board report -- that's the most
>> coherent documentation to answer that question.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> And more importantly, What is the status on this initiative in
>>> relation to the AP article?
>>> 
>> 
>> There are many articles that relate to bandwidth and its
>> (mis)management. More than the Internet Society (in total) could hope
>> to chase down and address. It would be helpful, to me at least, to
>> understand what in particular in that article is the concern you're
>> trying to raise: I might leap to very different conclusions without
>> guidance :-)
>> 
>> Leslie.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Franck Martin
>>> http://www.avonsys.com/
>>> http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys
>>> twitter: FranckMartin Avonsys
>>> 
>>> Check your domain reputation: http://gurl.im/b69d4o
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sabrina Wilmot" <wilmot at isoc.org>
>>> To: "Franck Martin" <franck at avonsys.com>
>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May, 2010 3:14:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internetworking
>>> 
>>> Franck,
>>> 
>>> You can find the status of the initiative in the last "President and
>>> CEO’s Report" submitted to the Board of Trustees in March:
>>> 
>>> http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/docs/mar2010/ISOC%20President%20and%20CEO%20Report%20-%20March%202010.pdf
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sabrina Wilmot
>>> ISOC
>>> 
>>> On 5/10/2010 4:38 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
>>>> http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=2327
>>>> 
>>>> What is the status on this ISOC initiative?
>>>> 
>>>> Franck Martin
>>>> http://www.avonsys.com/
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys
>>>> twitter: FranckMartin <http://twitter.com/FranckMartin> Avonsys
>>>> <http://twitter.com/avonsys>
>>>> 
>>>> Check your domain reputation: http://gurl.im/b69d4o
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> Leslie Daigle
>> Chief Internet Technology Officer
>> Internet Society
>> daigle at isoc.org
> 
> Leslie Daigle
> Chief Internet Technology Officer
> Internet Society
> daigle at isoc.org
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