[Chapter-delegates] Vint on Internet trust issues

[Lucy Lynch]

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Sophia B wrote:

> Very valid question and also timley and probing!

Fascinating article - and as always, I'm amazed at the amount of
ground Vint can cover in a public presentation. The bit that is
most interesting to the Trust and Identity team is this:

"* Cerf sees authentication and identity as problems to be solved on-line, 
but not in the way you might think -- with a centralized, single sign-on 
system. As he clarified to me afterward, he doesn't see why anybody would 
want such a thing: The risks of accident or abuse would be far too high, 
so he'd rather see federated identity systems that let us authenticate who 
we are as needed, but only for limited times and for specific purposes. 
Nor did he express any regret over leaving those functions out of the 
TCP/IP specification."

T/Id has been actively promoting work related to federated identity 
systems in the Kantara Initiative, Internet2, ReFeds, and the IIW. There 
is active work in Oasis and the IETF as well and I highly recommend the 
recent article on Federations in the IETF Journal:

http://www.isoc.org/tools/blogs/ietfjournal/?p=1715#more-1715

The author, Leif Johansson was also a participant on the recent ISOC 
sponsored panel at the Internet2 spring meeting:

http://events.internet2.edu/2010/spring-mm/agenda.cfm?go=session&id=10001087&event=910

along with Josh Howlett (JANET) - who is one of the drivers of the
FedAuth Birds of a Feather session scheduled for IETF 78:

FEDAUTH - Federated Authentication Beyond the Web
BOF Proponents: Sam Hartman and Josh Howlett
BOF Chairs: Sam Hartman and TBD
Agenda and drafts:  http://www.project-moonshot.org/bof/agenda/
Draft Charter:  http://www.project-moonshot.org/bof/charter/
Mailing list:  moonshot-community at jiscmail.ac.uk
Mailing list archive: 
http://jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?LIST=MOONSHOT-COMMUNITY

We're also promoting internal efforts to create an ISOC federated
identity option for membership as part of our engagement platform.

Vint rightly expresses concerns about single sign on and hegemonic
identity solutions and Google is working on some interesting ways to
let users partition their on-line experience. This slide set from
Paul Adams (of the Google UX team) is long both worth viewing as
it lays out an interesting set of use cases and concerns.

http://www.slideshare.net/padday/the-real-life-social-network-v2?from=embed

I'd be interested to hear from folks who already participate in local
federations (eGov, Eduroam, educational networks, grid computing, etc.)
because we still see this as a complex set of tools and relationships.

Have you had success with a local federation?

- Lucy


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> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Zaid Ali <zaid at sfbayisoc.org> wrote:
>
>> This is a great article on Vint Cerf's talk last night at Plantir
>> Nightlife,
>>
>> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/07/vint_cerf_at_palantir
>> _night_li.html. Vint talks a lot about Trust issues on the Internet and I
>> also seem to see talks on cyber security, online trust, botnet attacks as a
>> common recurring theme on news articles and conferences I have been
>> attending. With the introduction of Android phones and the fact that anyone
>> can build an application without much scrutiny we have seen a surge in a
>> new
>> breed of Botnets. Since the Android phones are similar to the PC market
>> there is quite a huge explosion of security issues similar to rise of
>> Windows desktops.
>>
>> The article not only raises some concerns on the technical side but also
>> the
>> policy side. My question to ISOC is we have a trust and identity
>> initiative,
>> how is the initiative involved in these discussions with various
>> stakeholders? Can the trust and identity initiative shed some light on this
>> and perhaps we could have a discussion?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zaid Ali
>> President, Internet Society San Francisco Bay chapter
>> www.sfbayisoc.org
>> zaid at sfbayisoc.org
>>
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