[Chapter-delegates] How can ISOC chapters help in the development of IP-based networks?

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Fred,

thanks for putting this so clearly.

In fact, in many of our countries, our constant work with society, 
industry, and government leads us often to explain the insufficiencies of 
many of the ITU's approaches following the explicit intent to increase its 
role beyond its original charter.

Folks have to understand the vacuity of the anti-spam work (compared to 
the useful toolkit the OECD created long ago); the empty shell of IMPACT 
and the Cybersecurity-related smoke and mirrors; the threat of NGNs and 
"other IP-based networks" to the open Internet model; and the prevalence 
of the owned-networks, government-on-top paradigms.

Veni, you know that there is no "local ITU" in the way there is local 
ISOC. What we may find is public officials and company or academic leaders 
who interact with the ITU. Some are subservient to ITU internal politics 
in exchange for benefits; some have genuinely performed heroic feats with 
the aid of the ITU's frameworks (like in defending spectrum use at borders 
like the Mexico-US one); some are just too ingrained in telecom paradigms 
and don't go with the Internet's truly innovative capacity. Lots of good 
people, some misguided, and some not so good-will driven.

So, some are torch-bearers and some are open to change. That's where local 
chapter action is.

There are also the regional organizations related to the ITU like CITEL, 
the Caribbean Telecommunications Union, etc., which have proven to better 
bridge the traditional telecoms world and the Internet model.

I hope we can share experiences and practices in order to interact 
constructively with well-identified stakeholders in all environments.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Fred Baker wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:01:29 -0800
> From: Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>
> To: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org, patrick at vande-walle.eu
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] How can ISOC chapters help in the	develo
>      of IP-based networks?
> 
> Chapter interaction with the ITU makes a lot of sense.
>
> Let me point out two issues that folks should be aware of. These are captured in the words "in order to increase the role of ITU in Internet governance" in the snippet you posted.
>
> Throughout WSIS, WGIG, and the current IGF activities, the ITU has tried to position itself as a major player and leader in Internet technology and policy.
>
> In point of fact, it is not a leader in Internet technology, and the work it has done on MPLS, voice and video, and the NGN has largely been at odd with work done in other places, something various folks have had to fix. Technically, the IETF would welcome an improved working relationship with the ITU, and has spent the better part of 15 years trying to make it happen. That said, the IETF is about "making the Internet better adapted to changing needs"; we would appreciate the ITU adopting a similar stance as opposed to "to increase the role of the ITU".
>
> As to internet-related public policy, the ITU is one of many places that this is discussed, as is the IGF. And the US FCC, and the European Commission, and a long list of other places. Yes, I think the chapters would do well to interact with their relevant governmental entities on policy, and that probably includes the ITU. The one question to beware of is the intent of the folks one is meeting with. Productive meetings are on the topic of "making the Internet better adapted to changing needs from a policy perspective"; "increasing the role" of any single venue is not a good reason to meet.
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:19 AM, Veni Markovski wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Changing the subject, I'd like to draw everyone's attention to a vital part of the ITU Plenipot 2010 resolutions, the words "including, but not limited to".
>>
>> The Internet-related resolutions resolved that the ITU should
>>
>> 1. explore ways and means for greater collaboration and coordination between ITU and
>> relevant organizations* involved in the development of IP-based networks and the future Internet,
>> through cooperation agreements, as appropriate, in order to increase the role of ITU in Internet
>> governance so as to ensure maximum benefits to the global community
>>
>> * Including, but not limited to ICANN, the RIRs, the IETF, ISOC and W3C, on the basis of reciprocity
>> basis.
>>
>> Now, my suggestion for the chapters is to see which one of you can get involved in the work the ITU does, as the resolution calls for the ITU to engage through cooperation agreements, etc., and since the words only name some of the organizations, it does not exclude the others, quite the contrary - it includes them. If any chapter has the capacity to work in the areas, covered by Resolution 101, 102, 133, then it should approach the ITU - via its regional offices, or via the national representative (usually Ministry of Communications), and see what you could do to promote the development of IP-based networks.
>>
>> best,
>> Veni
>>
>> On 12/15/2010 03:16, Patrick Vande Walle wrote:
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