[Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Bogota, Colombia
Eduardo Diaz
eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com
Fri Dec 10 11:20:23 PST 2010
Alejandro:
Thnaks for the info.
-ed
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:
> Eduardo, friends,
>
> the issues in Colombia and India do have some elements in common but also
> stark differences.
>
> The concertation session we had arrived at some pretty understandable
> agreements which all parties seem to be able to comply with. They include
> making a proper census of members and applicants for membership until
> January 31, 2011; have a General assembly of those members on February 15;
> have revising the Chapter's governance model as main point of the assembly's
> agenda; ensure that the projects led by the present Chapter leadership enjoy
> continuity of institutional continuity for their commpletion, whtehter they
> remain at the helm or not after the assembly; and making sure the Chapter is
> properly constituted and registered before the Colombian authorities,
> chamber of commerce, etc.
>
> One pre-agreed objective of the General Assembly is to create a Steering
> Committee or similar structure to guide the Chapter through its transitionn.
>
> It is possible that not meeting the objectives on the agreed schedule will
> trigger actions like starting a formal rejuvenation procedure. We tried to
> do our best to write down and have agreed the "OR ELSE" for all actions in
> order for this process to be decisive.
>
> The model may or may not comprise local sections or two or more independent
> Chapters. This is first for the community to decide.
>
> The members' list will require that members counted register as global
> members.
>
> Sebastian and I tried for this solution to be accepted by all involved and
> it seems that did happen. As long as there is some degree of goodwill this
> can work. If it is not present at all, we still have something usable with a
> foreseeable end in form and in time.
>
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>
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>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:52:13 -0400
>> From: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>> To: Patrick Vande Walle <patrick at vande-walle.eu>
>> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>,
>> Sebastian Bellagamba <bellagamba at isoc.org>,
>>
>> Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Bogota,
>> Colombia
>>
>> Well let's see what is the final outcome. I believe something like this
>> happened in India sometime in the past. I agree with Patrick that there
>> should be some kind of guideline to help in resolving this type of issue.
>> Its prone to happen again.
>>
>>
>>
>> -ed
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Patrick Vande Walle <
>> patrick at vande-walle.eu
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> While I wish to pay tribute to the work of the staff, I point out it is
>>> not
>>> the first time such a thing happens.
>>>
>>> There are historical reasons why ISOC has in the past accepted
>>> applications
>>> from chapters with overlapping geographical coverage. Chapters now
>>> increasingly address regulation issues at the national level. It would
>>> bring
>>> more weight to their positions if they do not appear divided.
>>>
>>> The BOT needs to take action. Not only on this case, but also on others
>>> that will come up in these future.
>>>
>>> For the above-mentioned efficiency reason, I personally oppose the
>>> creation
>>> of this new chapter. I am not questioning the qualification of the
>>> individuals involved. I just believe appearing divided is not a benefit
>>> for
>>> ISOC as a whole.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> as a witness and participant, let me express recognition for the
>>>> thorough,
>>>> careful work Sebastian Bellagamba and the Chapters team in ISOC HQ have
>>>>
>>>> put into the ISOC Bogta and ISOC Colombia analysis and the creation of
>>>> a
>>>> path that is likely to let move things forward consistently with ISOC
>>>> values and goals.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>
>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>> . .
>>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>>>
>>>> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>>>>
>>>> * Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>>>> * LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>>>> * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>>>> * Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>>>
>>>> * Ven a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org
>>>> *Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>> . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Sebastian Bellagamba wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:47:40 -0200
>>>>> From: Sebastian Bellagamba <bellagamba at isoc.org>
>>>>> To: Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in
>>>>>
>>>> Bogota,
>>>>
>>>>> Colombia
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear delegates,
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding this application, I am pleased to announce that both groups
>>>>>
>>>> of ISOC members (the ones behind ISOC Colombia and ISOC Bogota) shared
>>>> a meeting today, and they started a hopefully constructive dialogue
>>>> that will be bring good news to our Colombian colleagues.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian Bellagamba
>>>>> bellagamba at isoc.org
>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>> Manager - Oficina Regional para America Latina y el Caribe
>>>>> Regional Bureau Manager for Latin America and the Caribbean
>>>>> ==================
>>>>> Internet Society
>>>>> www.isoc.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/12/2010, at 8:27 PM:, Carlos Vera wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Estimado Carlos, sin embargo todos o el unico criterio a favor de un
>>>>>>
>>>>> nuevo capitulo que expones es precisamente geografico basado en
>>>> distancias y extensiones, ciudades y paises.. ESto en caso de ameritar
>>>> se resuelve con secciones no con mas capitulos...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A nosotros nos parece razonable el analisis de la demanda real de la
>>>>>>
>>>>> region, potencialidades de trabajo, recursos para operacion,
>>>> voluntarios con que se cuente, proyectos propuestos, presupuestos, etc,
>>>> que muestren una DIFERENCIACION REAL con el capitulo existente..y
>>>> sostenibilidad para el futuro, pues la experiencia nos demuestra que la
>>>> colaboracion propositiva es de lejos mejor que la competencia
>>>> discursiva.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/12/9 Carlos M. Martinez <carlosmarcelomartinez at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I am too new to ISOC, but I don't think we can reject an
>>>>>>
>>>>> application based solely on territorial overlap.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> While I agree that perhaps if both communities (the current chapter
>>>>>>
>>>>> and the proposed one) collaborated instead of forming a new chapter
>>>> they could perhaps achieve better results in the long run, but in the
>>>> end I don't believe that ISOC can force them to do so.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, Colombia is big country and Bogota is a large city.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Traveling within the country can involve plane trips or long road ones.
>>>> There can be reasons for creating city-wide chapters besides
>>>> country-wide ones.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos Martinez
>>>>>> ISOC Uruguay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/9/10 7:51 PM, Carlos Vera wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No estoy de acuerdo con soportar esta aplicacion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> En ISOC Ecuador, creemos firmemente que deben realizarse esfuerzos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> importantes para sustentar el trabajo de los capitulos existentes y
>>>> que
>>>> solicitudes de este tipo, cuando ISOC Colombia esta empezando a dar sus
>>>> frutos, solo desalentara a sus actores y dispersara esfuerzos.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ISOC debe mantener una politica firme de soporte al trabajo de los
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> capitulos que bastante esfuerzo y trabajo exige crearlos y
>>>> mantenerlos.
>>>> Cuando se intenten crear nuevos capitulos donde ya existen otros, estos
>>>> deben empezar al menos sobre la base de trayectoria del capitulo
>>>> existente, sus ejecutorias y tiempo trabajado. Adicionalmente no se
>>>> debe considerar solamente la solicitud de un nuevo capitulo sino la
>>>> necesidad del "mercado" para el mismo y si existen fallas en el trabajo
>>>> del capitulo existente para que la creacion de un nuevo capitulo en
>>>> circunscripciones territoriales con limitaciones economicas y de
>>>> ejecutorias, resulte en beneficio de la comunidad y no en detrimento de
>>>> aquella.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>>>> ISOC Ecuador
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/12/2 Sabrina Wilmot <wilmot at isoc.org>
>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The following application for a Chapter in Bogota, Colombia, has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> been received. It is being sent to this list for peer comment and
>>>> review. Please note that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not
>>>> officially
>>>>
>>>>> been recognised by ISOC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI, we have met some of the applicants in the past year at various
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> meetings and have encouraged the members to join the existing
>>>> Colombian
>>>> Chapter on several occasions. However, they have decided to form a
>>>> Chapter in Bogota, and their ideas are outlined in the application
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there are people on this list that know the individuals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> proposing to
>>>>
>>>>> establish the Chapter, feedback is especially welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The period allowed for comments is two weeks and the deadline is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> December 15, 2010.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sabrina Wilmot
>>>>>>> ISOC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Chapter Application*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A. Proposed name of the Chapter
>>>>>>> Capítulo Bogotá-Colombia de ISOC / Bogotá-Colombia Chapter Of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISOC.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> B. Community of Interest the Chapter will to serve
>>>>>>> The community of Interest of this Chapter will be initially the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> residents of Bogota. Eventually we hope to scale our reach to other
>>>> cities and towns in Colombia.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> C. Purpose and Scope of Chapter
>>>>>>> The Bogota-Colombia Chapter of ISOC will be an open organization
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> where every individual or institution will be welcome to participate
>>>> and contribute. It will make a special emphasis in a frequently and
>>>> effective communication to coordinate the local efforts with the
>>>> regional and global ISOC organization, and its many chapters, by
>>>> becoming a global reference on how to engage the different actors
>>>> (Government, enterprise, education and civil society), in order to
>>>> leverage best practices for the development of local, regional and
>>>> national public policy becoming an expert in Internet related topics.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Chapter aims to become a channel for execution of programs of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) of Colombian based companies,
>>>> developing activities focused at increasing the “digital inclusion” in
>>>> our target population. With this support and with support from many
>>>> sources, the Chapter will perform activities in the areas of education
>>>> and the promotion of alternative methods of access to internet.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> One difference of the chapter is to help forging productive links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> between the electronic game industry and projects involving the use of
>>>> games in education, training, health, and public policy. This
>>>> will help in exploring the competences development by empowering the
>>>> people in the problem solving of the challenges facing the world,
>>>> identified in the Millennium Development (MDG) goals.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> D. Founding Members of the Chapter
>>>>>>> Name Surname (Profession, Office Company, Email on file)
>>>>>>> Francisco Alcides Ruano Males
>>>>>>> Mauricio Álvarez Aragón
>>>>>>> Lorenzo Alberto Antamaría Espinosa
>>>>>>> Abelardo Arciniegas
>>>>>>> Diana Carolina Arias
>>>>>>> Ariel Barbosa
>>>>>>> Martha Patricia Barrera Alfonso
>>>>>>> Carlos Andrés Barrero Flórez
>>>>>>> Yesid Alejandro Barreto Jiménez
>>>>>>> Jorge Fernando Bejarano Lobo
>>>>>>> Crispín Swedi Bilombele
>>>>>>> Philippe Boland
>>>>>>> Pierre-Alain Branger
>>>>>>> Germán Bustos
>>>>>>> Mario Hamid Cajiao Mejía
>>>>>>> Wilman Alonso Camargo Asesor
>>>>>>> Julián Casasbuenas G.
>>>>>>> Andrés R. Castelblanco Mendoza
>>>>>>> José Manuel Castelblanco Arenas
>>>>>>> Juan Carlos Castellanos
>>>>>>> Mauricio Rafael Castro Abarca
>>>>>>> Carlos Arturo Cely Niño
>>>>>>> Sandra L. Céspedes Umaña
>>>>>>> Francisco José Córdoba
>>>>>>> Jhon Alexander Cuartas Flórez
>>>>>>> José Camilo Daccach T.
>>>>>>> Andrés Gustavo Díaz
>>>>>>> Jairo Alberto Galindo Cuesta
>>>>>>> Francisco Javier Galindo Vázquez
>>>>>>> Fabián Orlando García
>>>>>>> María Andrea Giraldo
>>>>>>> Felipe Alexander González Castillo
>>>>>>> JOSE SAMUEL GONZALEZ CONTRERAS
>>>>>>> José Samuel González Contreras
>>>>>>> José Adelmo González R.
>>>>>>> Carlos Gutiérrez Cuevas
>>>>>>> Yair José Guzmán Brieva
>>>>>>> Alejandro Hernández
>>>>>>> José Luis Hernández Bautista
>>>>>>> Carolina Herrera De Castellanos
>>>>>>> Luis Alberto Lesmes Sáenz
>>>>>>> Carlos Linares Valentín
>>>>>>> Maricela Londoño
>>>>>>> Edwin Orlando López
>>>>>>> Jefferson Camilo López Barrero
>>>>>>> Alfredo López Hernández Educación
>>>>>>> Bell Manrique Mejía
>>>>>>> Iván Darío Marrugo Jiménez
>>>>>>> Daniel Mejía Maldonado
>>>>>>> Carlos A. Merchán
>>>>>>> Carolina Morales Prado
>>>>>>> Ana María Moreno Ballesteros
>>>>>>> Alberto Moreno Quiñones
>>>>>>> Freddy Alberto Mosquera
>>>>>>> Liliana Andrea Murillo Pardo
>>>>>>> Yeisson Navarrete Martínez
>>>>>>> Carlos Neira
>>>>>>> Fabio Cesar Olaya Fernández
>>>>>>> Jairo Ortiz
>>>>>>> Luis Farley Ortiz Forero
>>>>>>> Diane Yissel Osorio Herrera
>>>>>>> Andrés Guillermo Otálora
>>>>>>> Arilog Regina Pavón Ángel
>>>>>>> Julio Páez
>>>>>>> Carlos Huber Pinilla Buitrago
>>>>>>> Yesid Polania
>>>>>>> Eugenia Ramírez Isaza
>>>>>>> Cindy Restrepo
>>>>>>> Erick Rincón Cárdenas
>>>>>>> Freddy Javier Robayo Vargas
>>>>>>> Gilberto Rodríguez
>>>>>>> Gabriel Rodríguez Escandón
>>>>>>> Francisco Javier Roldán
>>>>>>> Andrés E. Roldan Martínez
>>>>>>> Luz Nelly Romero Agúdelo
>>>>>>> Gonzalo Alfredo Romero Borda
>>>>>>> Nelson Alberto Ruan Ceballos
>>>>>>> Mónica Rubiano
>>>>>>> Luis Guillermo Rubiano Orjuela
>>>>>>> Tatiana Salamanca Abogada
>>>>>>> Félix Eduardo Salcedo
>>>>>>> Cesar Augusto Salinas Bermúdez
>>>>>>> Carlos Sanabria Periodismo
>>>>>>> Eduardo Santoyo
>>>>>>> Gabriel Mauricio Sarmiento
>>>>>>> Idier Socha Prieto
>>>>>>> Carlos Eugenio Thompson Pinzón
>>>>>>> María Lucía Urrego
>>>>>>> Iván Vargas Chaves
>>>>>>> Ana Erlinda Veloza Cerón
>>>>>>> Omar Villota Hurtado
>>>>>>> Alicia Inés Zanfrillo
>>>>>>> Ramiro Zarate Angulo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E. List of Supporters
>>>>>>> Organization Name Role (Contact mail on file)
>>>>>>> 1. Colnodo - Julián Casasbuenas, Director
>>>>>>> 2. .co internet sas - Eduardo Santoyo, VP, Asuntos Corporativos e
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Institucionales,
>>>>
>>>>> 3. enREDo - Ana María Moreno Ballesteros, President
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> F. List of Requirements
>>>>>>> None requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> G. Additional Information
>>>>>>> Our communication strategy has been successful, and with the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> creation of a site: http://colombia.isoc.pro/ as part of an effort of
>>>> transparence in all the processes, so each member and person interested
>>>> can consult the history of the creation of the chapter.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> H. Your Contact Information
>>>>>>> Philippe Boland
>>>>>>> enREDo
>>>>>>> Bogotá Colombia
>>>>>>> (details on file)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> RE: Application of Colombian Chapter of the Internet Society - ISOC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> - COLOMBIA
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are writing in behalf of all the people interested in creating
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Bogotá-Colombia chapter and be one of the official chapters of
>>>> ISOC.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the ISOC Business plan 2010-2012, the next 24 months will be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> crucial for the future of this great organization, and the “lift the
>>>> game” strategy to reduce semi active chapters will rejuvenate the
>>>> presence of ISOC in the world, for that reason we want to be an
>>>> official chapter because we are focused in be the most active chapter
>>>> in Latin America and further in the world.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know the importance of ISOC in the world, and for that reason,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> we have been preparing the creation of the chapter for many months in
>>>> order to have the entire crucial axis in place. We have made 6
>>>> preparations meetings by one of our supporting organizations (enREDo-
>>>> Red Internacional de Diseño through its Club Networking TIC), gathering
>>>> more than 75 people and designing strategies to maintain the connected
>>>> with ISOC Bogota-Colombia.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our communication strategy has been successful, and with the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> creation of a site: http://colombia.isoc.pro/ as part of an effort of
>>>> transparence in all the processes, so each member and person interested
>>>> can consult the history of the creation of the chapter.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another strategy has been the mailing list (now with 3.000 people)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> receiving the updates of this great process.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of our members, such as Patricia Cespedes (an IEFT scholar and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> member of ISOC for many years) are supporting the chapter creation
>>>> from
>>>> their actual location (in this case Canada).
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We look forward to receive a positive and fast answer of this great
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> effort we are engaged.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully submitted,
>>>>>>> Maricela Londoño C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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