[Chapter-delegates] OneWebDay 2009 - tomorrow 22 September

[Joly MacFie]

I think the technical elites they had in mind engineers are not those that
make the protocols but those that decide the allocation of middle mile
resources.

In the case of plumbing it is along established principle, at least in first
world countries, that it is an ubiquitous requirement. This is by no means
true of high speed internet.

Nevertheless I think there is a valid point here which which will surely be
discussed in the follow through process. If I see good venues for comment I
will make them known here.

The other side of the coin is that OneWebDay is attempting to preach to
people outside of the choir that the Internet is a vulnerable utility that
is deserving of environmental concern. This is not too far from ISOC's
position IANM.

joly



On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:27 PM, James Butler <jbutler at isoc-la.org> wrote:

> Let's see how that passage fares with a different subject, just to make
> sure it's a valid complaint:
>
> "Right now, governments, corporate entities and technical elites decide the
> fate of the most powerful, inclusive PLUMBING SYSTEM ever created. They're
> making decisions about who will have access, at what speeds, and at what
> price. They're deciding how to invest in training and education in 21st
> century PLUMBING."
>
> Why, yes they are. In fact, this passage is pretty standard stuff with
> regard to any infrastructure, when taken on its own. Roadways, television,
> water distribution, telephones, real estate and more ... all being managed
> end-to-end by "governments, corporate entities and technical elites", albeit
> without the conspiratorial theme.
>
> This is not the basis for an effective argument. If that passage represents
> any kind of key principle, perhaps the "pledge" should be reconsidered in
> its entirety by its publishers?
>
> James Butler
>
>
>
> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
>>
>>  Can someone among the Chapter Delegates kindly explain to me why we
>>> support OneWebDay while it circulates a "pledge against the digital divide"
>>> that contains wording which is directly hostile to ISOC, the IETF, and other
>>> organizations ISOC supports?
>>>
>>> I quote: "Right now, governments, corporate entities and technical elites
>>> decide the fate of the most powerful, inclusive communications platform ever
>>> created. They're making decisions about who will have access, at what
>>> speeds, and at what price. They're deciding how to invest in training and
>>> education in 21st century communications."
>>>
>>
>> It looks like they got a bit carried away with their language, doesn't it?
>> Several such groups have recently put out petitions about Network
>> Neutrality & other contentious and complex issues. In most cases, the
>> wording of their text left much to be desired due to unfortunate
>> amalgamation of targets, probably caused by hasty wording and not enough
>> feedback prior to putting the petition out.
>>
>> We know the jist of what they mean. I believe that we generally support
>> their point of view. But their inaccurate statements does weaken their
>> stance. Yes, the statement, as displayed on the OWD site is ill-written.
>>
>> I guess everybody can't be as perfect in their statements as ISOC. :-)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Olivier
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