[Chapter-delegates] ITU Followships for the World Telecommunication Policy Forum, April 2009, Lisbon, Portugal

[Hakikur Rahman]

Thanks Rudi.

At 10:23 AM 2/17/2009, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
>Correct link is : http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_FutureInternet3.pdf
>
>Rudi Vansnick
>
>
>
>Hakikur Rahman schreef:
> > I could not able to go to the page:
> > http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_Future_Internet.pdf
> >
> > Anything wrong!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hakik
> >
> > At 06:51 AM 2/17/2009, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote:
> >
> >> The study I know (see the PEW report on the Future Internet
> >> from December 14, 2008:
> >> www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_Future_Internet.pdf) where about 1150
> >> people
> >> were asked for opinions (both known leading experts (50%) and
> >> ordinary Internet users) shows that the clean slate design has no
> >> real footing
> >> at least for the next 10-15 years (is too risky and the current models
> >> is too widespread). NFS is certainly funding the clean slate
> >> research within GENI  and similar programmes but so far .....
> >>
> >> In the PEW report 76% of experts and 81% of users responded
> >> that the Internet will evolve and the  R&D will be focused on the
> >> improvement of the current Internet. the same applies to the security,
> >> HIP protocol is being deployed in EU and U.S and IPv6 if fully
> >> implemented
> >> introduce good security on network level.
> >>
> >>
> >> With regards,
> >>
> >> Borka
> >>
> >> ISOC Slovenia
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Franck Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think Scott Bradner in one of his presentations put it well. The
> >>> difference between NGN and IPv6 is that NGN is licensed.
> >>>
> >>> There has been a paper recently in the NY-Times about a clean slate
> >>> Internet, where people would be indetified, you loose freedom for
> >>> better security... And you know the old saying: "people who forgo
> >>> freedom for security will have neither"
> >>>
> >>> Recently I was looking at ITU initiative on SPAM:
> >>> http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/spam/ as you can see the page as not been
> >>> updated since 2006. They did Naming, went nowhere, standards are
> >>> made by IETF and IEEE not ITU, So here are they, they move from
> >>> topic to topic till they find their "raison d'etre". The last
> >>> "marmotte" they have is Internet Security, what next?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: borka at e5.ijs.si
> >>> To: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl at gih.com>
> >>> Cc: "ISOC Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 6:13:50 PM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected
> >>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ITU Followships for the World
> >>> Telecommunication Policy Forum, April 2009, Lisbon, Portugal
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> My two cents to this debate:
> >>>
> >>> I fully agree with Olivier and Alejandro  observation.
> >>> My viewing
> >>> is very similar  - there is a big rush in ITU
> >>> and similar organization as they are obviously
> >>> loosing the ground - the old telecom model
> >>> of telecommunication (and everything relied to it -
> >>> the telecommunication models used) is dying.
> >>>
> >>> They are looking for what is happening within the
> >>> Future Internet activities (taking
> >>> place in U.S, EU, S.Korea and Japan)
> >>> and the forums developing
> >>> the NGN which is certainly using the good exepriences
> >>> of Internet development and the Internet model.
> >>>
> >>> I was recently approached by one "national" industry member
> >>> in one of many SG groups of ITU to provide to  him the
> >>> "requirements for the NGN - the definition"
> >>> beeing worked and designed
> >>> within Future Internet activities in EU
> >>> (He said that he was asked to look around the
> >>> R&D efforts in his environment).
> >>> What a nonsense -
> >>> no one is ready now to specify accurately all  NGN requirements in
> >>> order stanadrdization effort to be applied within ITU!
> >>>
> >>> Other parties (The FIA - Future Internet Assembly of EU
> >>> and the EU Technological platforms (ETP - mainly
> >>> consisted of telecom industry and academia)  NESSI, NEM and
> >>> eMobility) have recently published (January 2009)
> >>> very good document entitled " Future Internet - The Cross-ETP Vision
> >>> Document (can be reached www.future-internet.eu) where
> >>> they clearly say:
> >>>
> >>> "It is hopeless for the Telecom players to compete with
> >>> Internet players keeping Telecom model for applications"
> >>>
> >>> and further:
> >>>
> >>> "Governance of Future Internet will be beyond Internet Name and
> >>> addresses,
> >>> issues dealt today by ICANN.  It will include other significant public
> >>> policy issues  such as  critical Internet resources, security and
> >>> safety
> >>> and issues pertaining to the use of the Internet"
> >>>
> >>> We all are aware that  this is a matter of discussion within IGF and
> >>> similar forums and certainly not ITU.
> >>>
> >>> Shall ISOC people help ITU in loking for NGN specification
> >>> in order they to start standardizing and later selling their CDs?
> >>>
> >>> With regards,
> >>>
> >>> prof.dr.Borka Jerman Blazic
> >>> ISOC-Slovenia and ISOC-ECC
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