[Chapter-delegates] What are the characteristics of theInternet tobe preserved ?

Sun Sep 7 10:20:55 PDT 2008

Hello Oliver,

Thank you for taking the time to list what needs to be preserved.  In the
first paragraph you have echoed the views of Telcos and these are views to
be respected. In a discussion thread such as this we will wait for different
points of view and when contrary opinions and views are thrown in, lets
received them with equal respect.  One question: If Telcos are not
interested in the grid, wouldn't there be other infrastructure players
interested in the grid? If non-traditional players set their eyes on the
Grid with one of the new business models (for e.g Google's business model or
a social networking portal's business model) it would be all the more to the
disadvantage to the Telcos.

On the characteristics that you have listed, on point

>- Better be late than wrong

>policy change seems to take so long. Ultimately, there is enough collective

>for the right decision to be taken. Make sure it stays that way.

Why? Shouldn't the Internet policy be rather adaptable? Shouldn't the the
technical architecture be engineered to accommodate constant improvements?
Or is there something that I have missed in this point?

And what about user-centricity? And user participation in shaping the
Internet? Internet as a global infrastructure owned by none? Or by owned by
the User? There are several other aspects that needs to be listed, I hope
some more points would emerge if this thread continues.

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
http://isocmadras.blogspot.com

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>wrote:

>  Hello Siva,
>
> thanks for forwarding this interesting presentation. The Grid certainly
> demonstrates the feeling of hope and anticipation that Web 2.0 would be the
> next "killer ap", the next big bubble. IMHO, alas, the Grid and the ideas
> presented in this presentation did not take into account the
> Telecommunication Provider (Telco) point of view, which is: everybody else
> has cashed in on services, why shouldn't we?
>

> In other words, the Grid would only be possible if Telcos wanted it. It
> appears that they don't. Or at least, they do, but only with their direct
> involvement and their terms. Along with most Intellectual Property owners,
> they consider P2P as a threat, not an asset.
>
> My thoughts on what needs to be fundamentally preserved:
>
> - "the internet is for everyone":
>

> promote Internet access worldwide. There are still many many communities
> that do not have Internet access. With the developed world's economy &
> processes relying more on more on the Internet, we might soon see an
> "underclass" of people without Internet access, that will be treated as 2d
> class citizens. As for the developing world, it is still today *very*
> expensive to have sustainable internet access in many places. The fact that
> a country has full internet connectivity does not mean affordable access
> everywhere.
>
> - Network Neutrality
> I am a firm believer that NN needs to be preserved. Without NN on the
> Internet, Google, Yahoo, Skype, Facebook & any other startups would not be
> in existence today. Why? Because without NN, before proposing a new service
> on the Internet, you'd need to ask for authorisation to pump that type of
> traffic into the Net; and Telcos would have probably said no. I've been
> there & done that.
>
> - Freedom of Speech
> Yes, the Internet is the warrant for your freedom. The day there will be no
> freedom of speech on the Internet, be afraid; be very afraid. Examples
> already abound, so I won't go any further.
>
> - Open Standards
> Do not, I repeat, do not let one vendor, one company, one organisation
> provide you with one single product. Monopoly = bad. I am not prejudiced and
> am happy using products from the big boys out there, as much as I also make
> use of OpenSource. But standards need to be open for creativity to prevail.
>
> - Enough Addressing for everyone
> Yes, I call this "preserving" enough addresses. And if there are not enough
> for future expansion, then find a way to create some. In other words, move
> on to IPv6. This really goes onto: "the internet is for everyone". With
> limited IPv4 real estate available, trust me, once it gets costly, the
> Internet won't be for everyone.
>
> - Keep politics out of it
> The Internet brings people together. It should not be a political
> instrument. Of course many disagree with me. Hidden agenda, anyone? :-)
>
> I hope this provides you with a good starter.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> O.
>
> --
> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond, Ph.D.
> E-mail:<ocl at gih.com> | http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> *To:* Rajnesh D. Singh <singh at isoc.org>
> *Cc:* Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] What are the characteristics of
> theInternet tobe preserved ?
>
> Hello Rajnesh Singh,
>
> Thank you very much for pointing me to the right document.
>
> Also, please take a look at the document (attached) by Michael Nelson,
> former Vice President Policy of ISOC presented at Oxford over two years ago
> - If this Document entirely goes along with ISOC's principles, I would like
> to use it. (Looks like it is, but there is one section in the document on
> "Grid" , a discussion that I have not found anywhere in ISOC.)
>
> Please guide me.
>
> Siavasubramanian M.
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Rajnesh D. Singh <singh at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Shiva,
>>
>>
>>
>> You may find the ISOC white paper on UCI of some relevance. Please see:
>>
>> http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/usercentricity/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> R.
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:
>> chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On Behalf Of *Sivasubramanian
>> Muthusamy
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 7 September 2008 6:14 AM
>> *To:* Chapter Delegates
>> *Subject:* [Chapter-delegates] What are the characteristics of the
>> Internet tobe preserved ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> If a venerable veteran of Internet is invited to address a group of
>> sophomore students on their first day at the Internet Policy and Governance
>> class, what would he list as the essential characteristics of the Internet ?
>> *
>> Access? Affordable Access ? Access without barriers ? Access without
>> discrimination of any kind ?  ( What is Internet for All ? )
>>
>> User-Centricity ?  ( what is that ? )
>>
>> Neutral ? What kind of neutrality ?  Neutral of technical standards ?
>> Neutral of political, religious and social ideologies ?
>>
>> freedome ?  of speech ? freedom from controls ?
>>
>> Unity (or) a single internetwork ?
>>
>> Openness - Open Technical Standards ? Open to commerce free of barriers ?
>> Open to changes ?*
>>
>> What are the characteristics of the Internet that can be listed together
>> as features of the Internet that needs to be preserved ?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> ISOC India Chennai
>> http://isocmadras.blogspot.com
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasubramanianmuthusamy
>>
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