[Chapter-delegates] scarcity of IPv4 addresses

[Sivasubramanian Muthusamy]

Hello Chris,

A Tax credit could go towards compensating the businesses letting go
of these assets. But this measure might require ICANN to work with
National Governments and get every nation to subscribe to the idea of
locally compensating what ICANN had allocated and taken back. This may
not happen, and even if it happens, it might not be seen as valuable
in several other countries as in Europe or the USA.

May be some form of "address space credits" that are convertible at ICANN ?

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> As one more possible avenue for ISOC to pursue;  there was a recent
> suggestion on the ARIN PPML by Tom Vest that we look into the idea of a tax
> credit to organizations which return space to their RIR
> (http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2008-October/012386.html).  I
> think that at least in the US, it has a potential to help and I wonder what
> others thoughts are?
> ~Chris
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Franck Martin <franck at sopac.org> wrote:
>>
>> > What would you and others suggest ISOC should do to save the titanic?
>>
>> Hello Frank Martin, John Schnizlein,
>>
>> 1. Focus on promoting migration to IPV6 rather than worry to much
>> about the IPV4 Legacy? The more ICANN and the RIRs fret over the hard,
>> unpleasant decisions that need to be taken on IPV4, greater would be
>> the time taken to transition to IPV6.  Some breathing space is indeed
>> required, but the extent of importance given to managing IPV4
>> resources appear to be in the order of extending the life span of the
>> IPV4 Legacy. What ISOC could do is to encourage hard, tough decisions
>> and make it swift. The address spaces were allocated almost for free,
>> at a throwaway price, and now they are dear. Any thing scarce brings
>> in a lot of value. The businesses are bound to resist the idea of
>> letting them all go exactly at this opportunistic moment.  So, remind
>> everyone that these are relatively 'free" assets and make all the
>> tough decisions that are necessary on the issues of recalling unused
>> addresses or on allowing/ disallowing transfers.  ( At the same time,
>> some consideration needs to given to the inexplicable aspects in
>> business - these "assets" might have been acquired at a negligible
>> cost, but around these allocations businesses are bound to have
>> invested a considerably, so the "accumulated" cost of these assets
>> would in reality be a lot more than initially paid for.  If ICANN as
>> many cents as collected on allocation, it might square up ICANN's
>> books, but might not be the same case with businesses. )
>>
>> 2. Declare War. It requires war like measures to cause IPV6 adopted
>> before it is too late.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:27 AM, John Schnizlein <schnizlein at isoc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, price speculation is possible in an unregulated market for IPv4
>> > address
>> > blocks. This speculation could, as your doubt suggests, increase
>> > volatility in such
>> > a market.
>>
>> Should we be complacent at this threat of speculative trade in the
>> names and numbers space?  Speculation has done enough harm to the
>> World Economy, shouldn't the Internet be kept away from such trade
>> practices ?
>>
>> Perhaps ICANN could make it mandatory that transfers are routed through
>> RIRs.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> ISOC India Chennai.
>>
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