[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result

[Hakikur Rahman]

I agree with Veni. With my small experience over the years what I 
have found, despite individual chapter's visible (locally) 
activities, due to the inclusiveness and attention (from central, and 
this need a longer thread of discussion) such a large organization 
like ISOC is missing the exact threshold. This is my personal opinion 
and I will be pleased to talk about it. However, I see abrupt blogs 
or thread of discussions while it is a special commitment, otherwise 
this list remains silent.

This could be natural, but, with so many active local chapters and so 
many active members, we should have achieved more a long before!

Kind regards,
Hakik

At 08:47 AM 5/13/2008, Veni Markovski wrote:
>At 10:55 AM 5/13/2008  +1200, Franck Martin wrote:
> >Eduardo, Veni, et al.
> >
> >I think the comment is slightly unfair.
>
>Only if you have considered them as pointing at you :)
>which, I guess you did :)
>
>Didn't want you, Alejandro ot Patrick feel that way. I have tried -
>in quite a number of attempts - to move things internally at ISOC,
>and at the end I gave up. We are doing a lot of things at
>ISOC-Bulgaria, ISOC.nl, ISOC.pl, and others are working hard, too.
>Many chapters do what they can, but the general feeling I see is that
>something is missing in the picture. For me that is the understanding
>that the chapters are the most vital, most user-oriented parts of
>ISOC. They are the blood of ISOC. ISOC could not function without
>them, and they have served ISOC well for obtaining the .org bid some
>time ago. They didn't do it because they wanted something in return,
>except attention and inclusiveness.
>
>Your achievements, which you've documented - not fully - in your mail
>are true, and correct. What perhaps is missing is that it should not
>be your job to alert us about the board meetings, but this should be
>a procedure, more or less automati, and performed by someone at ISOC
>HQ, not by a trustee.
>
>But there's one thing which is fundamental at every organization that
>has a board in the USA:
>
> >Understand, it does not matter if there is 1, 3 or 6 chapters elect
> >at the board, the other board members are not the enemy. They just
> >need to know the chapters better while at the same time understand
> >that chapters are not a dead weight to carry around. If chapters are
> >visible to the board by participation, then they will shape things.
>
>The number always is important. That's why it is important not only
>who sits on the board (all current Trustees are fine people), but how
>many represent the different groups. That's a different discussion
>from whether the Trustees are good. They are, no doubt about it. But
>at the same time they represent certain parts of ISOC, which have
>different interests. One is more interested in the standards and the
>techincal issues, the other - in the public policy (note: again, it
>is not about the current Trustees, but about the general principle).
>You say that  chapters should be visible to the Board by
>participation... but then, how are the organizational members visible
>to the Board? Do they participate and thus become visible?  You could
>even turn the question upside down, and ask - if the Board wants to
>be visible to the chapters, it should participate and start shape
>things. You may wish to spend some time and find out how many of the
>Trustees actually participate in chapters, and how many are writing
>to this list. This could be useful to see why there's some problem in
>the communications. It is not because of you, or any other Board
>Trustee today.
>
>I know why some of the chapters don't respond to surveys, and don't
>propose ideas: they've been there, they've done that. It didn't help.
>Why waste resources again?
>
>
> >The sphere project is a result of the board effort, (including non
> >chapter-elect board members) to get better interaction between
> >chapters and ISOC HQ. Groups have been formed, and are starting to
> >work, but if you look closely, it is more like 5 people from staff
> >or board and 2 people from chapters. I have already heard complains
> >about chapters not talking. Very difficult to know what chapters
> >want when there is no-one to talk to.
>
>I could start talking on that topic, but it requires a different thread.
>
>best,
>Veni
>
>
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