[Chapter-delegates] [FYI] ISOC position on the ICANN Joint Project Agreement
Alejandro Pisanty
apisan at servidor.unam.mx
Thu Feb 7 23:20:31 PST 2008
Bill (Slater),
I know from long-accumulated evidence that you come into this debate in
good faith and am glad you open some important points.
1. In my opinion and experience ICANNWatch provides little value for
people who have a diverse set of information sources. As far as it
represents opinion (expressed in words, and tacit in the choice of
information it decides to show) it is free speech and free to flow. As far
as considering it alone, or primarily, a source for information to base
decision-making, it definitely suffers from acute deficits.
2. Becoming a member at large, or for some purposes even better, becoming
a member of a GNSO constituency if you have specific domain-name related
interests, or the ccTLD community if that is your field, or the RIRs and
their policy forums, is a meaningful action which provides an opportunity
to participate and shape the future of ICANN. In fact, a number of ISOC
chapters are At-Large structures, and this seems to be a productive thing
to do for them (us.)
3. I believe that your assertion that ICANN guys are among the most
powerful people on the Internet runs counter to my experience. As many of
you know, I served in the ICANN Board as a Director for about 8 years, and
a large fraction of them I was the Vicechair of the Board, with Vint Cerf
being the Chair. And never in that time did I feel myself in power, and I
can attest that Vint, and many many many of the people with whom I shared
the service in the Board, felt or acted in terms of power. We were there
to contribute to shape the decisions of ICANN, to help balance the
ambitions of power of many of the field's actors - companies in search of
profit and monopoly power, speculators and outright road bandits in search
of lucre, politicians and whole governments in search of the power to
control and restrict the Internet, pseudo-citizen-speakers actually
working behind the scenes to increase some companies' market
opportunities, and many other causes of concern. We worked for free, in
good faith, sometimes over 20 hours a week and certainly, near and during
ICANN meetings 80 hours a week, and most of those who have left the Board
are neither richer nor more powerful than when we arrived. Among other
chapter leaders with a similar experience I can immediately cite Veni, and
I guess he will be a better judge of whether others literally almost
killed ourselves to make sure that never too much power accrued on
anybody's hands. Or pockets.
Do we all need a quick overview of what ICANN is and is not and how it has
served the Internet community? The shortcomings of the organization and
its people will surely also come out in the ensuing discussion, and the
strategic value and exact conditions of the possible end of the JPA (who
needs to know what the JPA is? glad to provide explanations) will be seen,
and seen in the context of the present and coming years.
And then, with some luck, we will also be able to better shape the
position to be expressed by ISOC, imbued with a global view from the many
countries and cultures that we represent through the chapters.
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Director General de Servicios de Computo Academico
UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, William Favre Slater, III wrote:
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:37:33 -0600 (CST)
> From: "William Favre Slater, III" <slater at billslater.com>
> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
> Cc: graham at isoc.org, Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
> venimarkovski at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [FYI] ISOC position on the ICANN Joint
> Project Agreement
>
> Greetings from Chicago, Alex,
>
> Thanks for your remarks.
>
> Hope you, Lynn, and all my other ISOC colleague are doing well.
>
> To prepare for your work with ICANN and ICANN documents, I encourage all
> of you who haven't done so, to do the following:
>
> 1) Go to www.icannwatch.org and join (my own username is ICANNDOANYTHING)
>
> 2) Go to www.icann.org and become a member at large.
>
> 3) Read everything you can about ICANN's work and activities. In many
> ways these folks are arguably the most powerful folks on the Internet as
> it stands today.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Bill
> William Favre Slater, III, PMP
> President, ISOC-Chicago
> Program Manager, CSSS.NET
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> On Thu, February 7, 2008 8:20 pm, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> thanks for this proposal. It will be nice if you convince more chapter
>> delegates than Veni alone. Note should be taken that there has been no
>> discussion of this position on the Board of Trustees either, as it was
>> submitted after being brought before the chapters. I assume that this
>> means that indeed great importance is given to the opinion of chapters,
>> and we should use that opportunity.
>>
>> We have already seen that at least two chapters have importantly differing
>> views, and airing this issue is critical now.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> .
>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Director General de Servicios de Computo Academico
>> UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> Tel. (+52-55) 5622-8541, 5622-8542 Fax 5622-8540
>> http://www.dgsca.unam.mx
>>
>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, www.isoc.org
>> Participa en ICANN, www.icann.org
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 graham at isoc.org wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:01:07 +0000
>>> From: graham at isoc.org
>>> To: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>, venimarkovski at gmail.com,
>>> Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [FYI] ISOC position on the ICANN Joint
>>> Project Agreement
>>>
>>> Veni - the position is not going to DoC til later next week. We can
>>> certainly talk in Delhi, where I hope I can at least explain if not
>>> convince you of the position.
>>>
>>> Safe travels!
>>> Bill
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:20:04
>>> To:"Bill Graham" <graham at isoc.org>, "Chapter Delegates"
>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [FYI] ISOC position on the ICANN Joint
>>> Project Agreement
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> We are disappointed that ISOC wants the JPA comtinued.
>>> We are working on our own submission, but it is very muchb in support
>>> of Peter Dengate Thrush letter to the NTIA, which can be found on the
>>> ICANN site.
>>>
>>> Hope to see you in Delhi, but given the fact that you're sending
>>> ISOC's position a week before the deadline, which gives little, if
>>> any, space for improvement, I hope you'll make it clear that this is
>>> the position of ISOC - Reston, and has not been supported by the
>>> chapters, which are not co-signing it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Veni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/7/08, Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org> wrote:
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> In advance of the ICANN meeting in Delhi next week, I would like to
>>>> share with you an overview of the comments ISOC is planning to submit
>>>> to the United States Department of Commerce Notice of Inquiry on the
>>>> mid-term review of the Joint Project Agreement (JPA) between DoC and
>>>> ICANN. This position is based on ISOC principles and builds on past
>>>> submissions. We continue to support a transition to a private sector
>>>> model for administration of the domain name system, and we continue to
>>>> be supportive of ICANN's efforts as they evolve to this model.
>>>>
>>>> When the JPA was created in September 2006 it had two parts:
>>>> · the agreement itself and
>>>>
>>>> · an annex written by the ICANN Board.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The annex contained 10 commitments that the Board voluntarily made to
>>>> the US government. The present mid-term review was also promised in
>>>> the JPA.
>>>>
>>>> Some, including ICANN itself, seem to think it is possible that the
>>>> JPA could be terminated at the mid-term. Others see obstacles –
>>>> political and otherwise. - Irrespective of whether early termination
>>>> is possible. For three major reasons, ISOC's position is that the JPA
>>>> should continue until its end in 2009 so that ICANN can prepare itself
>>>> for private sector management. Briefly those reasons are:
>>>>
>>>> (1) ICANN has done a lot in the first half of the JPA with respect to
>>>> advancing work on the JPA responsibilities in areas such as
>>>> transparency, to making progress in other key areas such as IDNs, and
>>>> working to improve stability and security. The next 18 months will be
>>>> an opportunity to put these into operation and ensure that the new
>>>> mechanisms are adequate to meet community expectations. This is
>>>> essential for the stability of the organization post-JPA, and is
>>>> central to strong engaged community support – a central tenet of the
>>>> private sector model envisaged for ICANN.
>>>>
>>>> (2) ICANN needs to develop a vision or plan for what it will look
>>>> like and how it will work without the US government oversight. This
>>>> will need community support and buy-in and must be developed within
>>>> ICANN's processes, following principles of openness, transparency and
>>>> accountability. The community needs to understand how ICANN plans to
>>>> operate and evolve in the absence of the USG oversight role. That
>>>> needs to be elaborated & test-driven over the next year(s) in order to
>>>> be credible, to gain support, and before various constituencies should
>>>> be comfortable with ending the JPA.
>>>>
>>>> (3) In the 2006 DoC proceedings, both ISOC and IAB strongly expressed
>>>> the need for all parties to recognize that the protocol parameter
>>>> function carried out by ICANN is on behalf of and performed fully
>>>> under the IETF's direction. ICANN's responsibilities for these
>>>> assignments is therefore different from ICANN's other responsibilities
>>>> within the IANA function. In the next 18 months, concrete steps must
>>>> be taken to recognize this, and to ensure that the IETF's protocol
>>>> parameter needs will continue to be met to its satisfaction,
>>>> regardless of any changes that may be made in ICANN's relationship
>>>> with the DoC.
>>>>
>>>> The deadline for making the formal submission to the US government is
>>>> February 15, and this summary of our position is provided as
>>>> background for our discussions during the ICANN meeting. I am aware
>>>> that some Chapters and individual members have already made
>>>> submissions to the DoC – some not entirely agreement with the position
>>>> we are planning to put forward. I think it will be important for ISOC
>>>> members speaking publicly in Delhi to identify themselves and make it
>>>> clear that they speak on their own or their Chapter's behalf. If you
>>>> do not agree with the formal ISOC position outlined above, I would
>>>> also encourage you to state that as well. Because of the short time
>>>> remaining before the deadline for comments, I don't think it will be
>>>> possible to engage in discussion on the chapter delegates' list. But
>>>> I look forward to meeting many of you at ICANN and welcome any
>>>> comments you may want to email me off list at graham at isoc.org.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> ========================
>>>> Bill Graham
>>>> Global Strategic Engagement
>>>> The Internet Society
>>>> graham at isoc.org
>>>> tel +1.613.231.8543
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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