[Chapter-delegates] Safe internet campaign
Alejandro Pisanty
apisan at servidor.unam.mx
Sat Jul 28 08:48:52 PDT 2007
Tony,
re the statement "filtering may be helpful", I think that Chapters ought
to add to it that if filtering is going to be instituted, it must be as
close to the final user as possible, in a way that is transparent and
agreed by the user, that can be changed following the users' needs, and
that has a very clear mechanism for redress. If filtering uses some form
of blacklisting, it is very easy for sites to get onto the list and
usually very difficult to get off it - so you may find a content provider
filtered unfairly, and unable to get back into the "allowed" list.
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
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Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Director General de Servicios de Computo Academico
UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tel. (+52-55) 5622-8541, 5622-8542 Fax 5622-8540
http://www.dgsca.unam.mx
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---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, www.isoc.org
Participa en ICANN, www.icann.org
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Tony Hill wrote:
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:02:25 +1000
> From: Tony Hill <tony at keanyhill.wattle.id.au>
> To: rimon at isoc.org.il
> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>,
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Safe internet campaign
>
> I did not understand the full context of your activities when I wrote my
> contribution.
>
> However, one point you may wish to make in this context is that filtering may
> be helpful, but it is NO substitute for parental interest and supervision.
> My understanding is that there is no filter that can guarantee that children
> will not see undesirable content, of all varieties. It is only through
> parental involvement and understanding that children can be kept away from
> undesirable areas on the Internet.
>
> As Alejandro said, many people are not even aware that there is a difference
> between the Web and the Internet. Let alone understanding how filtering may
> be applied and whether it is effective or not. For instance they may confuse
> Web based undesirable content and undesirable emails. Would a filter also
> deal with both?
>
> One situation that is important in this debate is SPAM. It is one of the few
> areas where undesirable content is pushed at unsuspecting people without
> their interest. In Australia, the government spent some millions of dollars
> on moves to protect users from undesirable content. Later they moved to
> legislate against SPAM for commercial purposes. This legislation has been
> effective in reducing SPAM generated from Australian sources (and in terms of
> many forms of electronic communication), but of course the SPAM problem
> continues worldwide. I suggest that Israel could make a positive
> contribution to reduction of undesirable content by considering legislation
> against SPAM and supporting international coordination, including through
> discussion at the IGF.
>
> regards, Tony
>
> Rimon Levy wrote:
>> Alejandro and Tony,
>> You are not aware how rght you are! In the background to our intended
>> campaign is a law proposal in our Parlament tha if aproved will oblige
>> ISPs to install filtering software *by default* to users unless they
>> specifically ask not to filter theur content. We were amazed by the wide
>> support in the Parlament from left and right, with known feminists
>> supporting the proposal in the grounds of defending childrens from
>> pornograhic content. Alejandro wrote, the panic aroused by some events
>> publicized in the media with a lack of understanding of the internet
>> leads to an urge of control, censorship. Ironically, we were almost
>> concluding a self regulation agreement
>> between ISPs and content providers - and they withdrawed drom it on the
>> ground that now there is a law proposal, everything they agrre will be
>> taked for granted and will be the start for negotiations.
>> It seems to us that the situation is similar to that in Australia back
>> in 1999 - when a law proposal started a process of compromise and self
>> regulation.
>> ISOC-IL is leading the struggle against the law proposal, along with a
>> coaliton of bloggers and various NGOs. The capaign we wish to launch is
>> intended to encourage parents to take responsibility for educating their
>> children, and give them some tips on specific issues related to the
>> Internet, exactly as Alejandro put so well.
>> Thank you all for your sugestions, they were very helpful
>>
>> Rimon Levy, President
>> ISOC-IL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Hill [mailto:tony at keanyhill.wattle.id.au] Sent: Saturday, July
>> 28, 2007 9:16 AM
>> To: Alejandro Pisanty
>> Cc: rimon at isoc.org.il; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Safe internet campaign
>>
>> I agree with Alejandro. There are many "community discussion" issues
>> that can be used to derail or at least distract from positive
>> development of the Internet. We have seen a host of these distraction
>> issues in Australia.
>>
>> Even the early stages of the debate about content fell into this
>> category with attempts to filter all Internet content. This is a very
>> important area for ISOC Chapters to ensure that such debate is soundly
>> based on technical facts and a realistic understanding of operations of
>> the Internet. I think that the NetAlert site has finally reached a
>> position something like this.
>>
>> Also, you may be able to use some of the information that we put
>> together in 1999 on this subject. See
>> http://www.isoc-au.org.au/Submissions/Submissions.html
>>
>> regards, Tony Hill
>> ISOC-AU
>> Australia
>>
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rimon, and all,
>>>
>>> "safe Internet campaigns" are a valuable effort but are also fraught with
>>> some serious potential complications. A word of care here:
>>>
>>> It is very usual, and easy, for people to get fired up about "safe
>>> navigation for kids" on the grounds of easy access to pornographic content
>>> and of horror stories of harassment, pedophilia, and worse. A lot of it
>>> comes from parents who think of the Internet as the Web and are barely
>>> aware, if at all, of what actually goes on.
>>>
>>> This, combined with technophobia, luddism, etc. can easily feed campaigns,
>>> or campaigners, who immediately lean toward content control, filtering,
>>> censorship, etc. (we are seeing one example develop right now in Mexico
>>> and there have been many others.)
>>>
>>> So it is very important to do as you are doing in Israel, that is, to
>>> promote the positive aspects of the Internet, and to be frank and open
>>>
>>
>>
>>> about the risks and their real size. And to emphasize that safe navigation
>>> is not something that the Net will solve for you - parents and teachers
>>> cannot abdicate from their responsibilities to their children in educating
>>> them to navigate the Internet safely, the same way they teach them to
>>> navigate through streets, schools, and life in
>>>
>> general.
>>
>>> A former ISOC member, Ms. Parry Aftab, has created excellent contents for
>>> these campaigns, and is very open to all sorts of collaboration for this
>>> purpose - keeping the Internet open at the same time! See
>>> http://www.aftab.com for more. She was in Mexico recently, as the ISOC
>>>
>>
>>
>>> contribution to a conference on Internet security, and really created a
>>> splash. She has most recently licensed comics from Marvel Comics to use
>>> them for children safety on the Internet, and published a neat, useful
>>> guide to fight cyberbullying.
>>>
>>> In Mexico we have created (in UNAM, my university) a home-user site with
>>> information and tips, and also some comics-like characters which are used
>>> in magazines. We'll be glad to share.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>
>> . .
>>
>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>> Director General de Servicios de Computo Academico UNAM, Universidad
>>> Nacional Autonoma de Mexico Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>> Tel. (+52-55) 5622-8541, 5622-8542 Fax 5622-8540 http://www.dgsca.unam.mx
>>> *
>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, www.isoc.org
>>> Participa en ICANN, www.icann.org
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>
>> . .
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Rimon Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:22:11 +0300
>>>> From: Rimon Levy <Rimon at sapir.ac.il>
>>>> Reply-To: rimon at isoc.org.il
>>>> To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> Subject: [Chapter-delegates] Safe internet campaign
>>>>
>>>> At ISOC-IL we are planning to launch a campaign on safe internet for
>>>> kids. We found that parents are worried about the risks (widely
>>>> publicized by the media) of kids using the internet , and from the other
>>>> side are not very acquainted to the internet, or do not access
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> the Internet at all. So we want to reach them by other channels, diferent
>>>> from a web site.
>>>> The idea is to launch a campaign stressing the good things that can be
>>>> achieved trought the use of the Internet, along with tips to parents and
>>>> childrens how to minimize the risks.
>>>> Something like
>>>> http://www.pta.org/archive_article_details_1153866875015.html
>>>>
>>>> If some of you have information about similar campaigns in your country,
>>>> we will be glad to get a reference to it. This could help us
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> to can learn about others experience and use the references to
>>>> demonstrate what we have in mind to decision makers in Government and
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> private sector, so we can convince them to support the initiative.
>>>>
>>>> Rimon Levy, President
>>>> ISOC-IL
>>>>
>>>>
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