[Chapter-delegates] [Fwd: Re: [isdf] Just anotherdisenfranchisement]

[Franck Martin]

David,

The issue with the name was solved

The issue with the amount is of no importance

The issue is, to vote the ISOC board, you need money, quite a
substantive amount for developing countries, which leads to the
statement that "normal members are second class citizens to ISOC". I
would not like to see that, so how the board ensures that normal members
are not relegated to a pretty role?

Cheers

David McAuley wrote:

>Franck:
>
>This relates, I believe, to the issue that was heatedly discussed this past
>spring. The ISOC Board had thought long and hard about making such a
>membership level change, a poll had been conducted, and the change to the
>membership level was made as was announced back then.
>
>The reaction on this list was very intense and seemed to center (other than
>on payment itself) on two issues more than others: one was with respect to
>the nomenclature used for the membership classifications, and the other was
>on the payment amount. There was a complete airing of comments and I recall
>we apologized for the way the matter was handled.
>
>With respect to the nomenclature, we asked for ideas and then we floated
>some alternatives and the nomenclature was duly changed.
>
>With respect to the amount, we asked for time to see if this single amount
>would work. 
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>It was a difficult discussion with reasoned opinions on a number of sides
>but we did not intend to create offense and I think we responded in
>reasonable fashion. I personally think it will be unhelpful to start the
>discussion over. The payment amount issue will be revisited after a
>reasonable period of time.
>
>As for some extreme conclusions, I would only ask people to judge ISOC by
>our mission, goals, programs, and efforts as well as the contacts you have
>with the ISOC personnel you deal with. We get some things wrong. We get much
>right. If by these measures we are judged by some to be racist then I can
>only state my strong disagreement from such a statement. 
>
>Best regards,
>David
>
>David McAuley
>Membership Director
>Internet Society
>703-326-9880, ext 104
>703-963-5887 (mobile)
>mcauley at isoc.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>[mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Gene Gaines
>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:57 PM
>To: Franck Martin
>Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org; Picisocboard at lists.spc.int
>Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Fwd: Re: [isdf] Just
>anotherdisenfranchisement]
>
>YOU BRING UP A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
>
>PERHAPS IT IS TIME TO TAKE A HARD LOOK
>AT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITABLE
>TREATMENT IN ISOC.
>
>THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
>
>I will reiterate the position I stated some time ago.
>
>I will not pay $75 to be a member of ISOC so long as
>there is no equitable consideration given the cost of
>membership in other countries.
>
>I will be pleased if the Indonesian ISOC chapter would
>permit me to be a member, and would be pleased to send
>them a check for $75 for that privilege.
>
>But so long as a voting membership costs US$ 75 for a
>person from Indonesia, or Nigeria, or Gabon, or any
>country, then I judge ISOC to be an exclusionary and
>racist organization, and I will not "go along".
>
>Failing to protest such inequity is tantamount to
>supporting it.
>
>Gene Gaines
>gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
>
>On Thursday, September 29, 2005, 6:39:01 PM, Franck wrote:
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>>Please confirm the news below.
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>>I think we were clear that non-paying members will not be second class
>>citizens to ISOC. I hope it is only a mistake.
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>>Cheers
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>>On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Stefan Probst wrote:
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>>>Howdy,
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>>>just saw that ISOC is implementing yet another step of getting rid of any
>>>influence from developing countries: 3 BoT seats for paying members.
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>>>http://www.isoc.org/members/
>>><quote>
>>>The Sustaining Member Level [SP: US $75.00 annual charge] will, in
>>>addition, be able to participate in election for ISOC Board of Trustee
>>>members as follows: once there are 500 such members together with 500
>>>individuals joining under or Organizational Membership plan, this group
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>>>membership will elect one ISOC Trustee each such year (for up to three
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>such
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>>>Trustees overall).
>>></quote>
>>>
>>>My English is probably too poor to understand this sentence with the "500
>>>individuals joining under or Organizational Membership plan",
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-- 
Franck Martin
ICT Specialist
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SOPAC, Fiji
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