[Chapter-delegates] Monographic Monthly Meeting MMM # 11 TRANSCRIPTION (WSIS with Matthew Shears)
Andreu Vea'
andreu at veabaro.info
Thu Nov 10 15:51:52 PST 2005
As we normally do,
The transcriptions of the meeting will be published in the MMM Forum.
http://www.isoc.be/chde/forum
Meanwhile here you've the first Draft.
It's really interesting to follow all the links provided by the lecturer.
andreu
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2005-11-10 Monographic Monthly Meeting # 11 (November)
Invited Guest: Matthew Shears (ISOC Director of Public Policy, since
september 2005.
From Denmark.
Attendees:
David McAuley ISOC-HQ (today from Vancouver)
Irwan Effendi ISOC Indonesia (from Jakarta)
Edmon Chung (ISOC-Hong Kong)
Jim Galvin ISOC-HQ (today from Vancouver)
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE
Rosa Delgado ISOC Board (from Geneva today)
Moderating:
Andreu Veà (Barcelona, today from Stanford, CA)
Answered telling they couldn't make it:
Lynn StAymour
Franck Martin (excused for a meeting) Suva (Fiji Islands)
Rajnesh D. Singh (Fiji)
Rudi Vansnick (Belgium)
Alex Corenthin (Senegal)
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At 12h noon California time we start the meeting.
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Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC: Hi all
Andreu: Hello Welcome everybody
SHEARS: hello everyone
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: hihi too
Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC: My apologies, I have an impromptu meeting this
morning...
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: Hello from Hans Peter Dittler - this week at the
IETF in Vancouver
Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC: With the rest of PICISOC board
ROSA: hello all
Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC: I may meet some of you in ICANN Vancouver, and we
are preparing ICANN Wellington (closest from home, ever)
Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC: c u all
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Hello everyone, Jim Galvin and I will be sharing a PC
SHEARS: franck apisake did a great job covering the recent geneva meetings
Franck Martin-PIC-ISOC has left the conference.
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Hello, everyone, from Jim Galvin!
Edmon Chung has joined the conference.
Andreu: Well
Andreu: We're joining from all around the world
Andreu: again,
Andreu: this time to listen to a
SHEARS: Jim, David hello
Andreu: person who will lecture
Andreu: us today about the WSIS
ROSA: Andreu- Tks for organizing this
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Hello Matthew and thanks
Andreu: He is Matthew Shears
Andreu: I'd suggest
Andreu: that we introduce ourselves
Andreu: very briefly saying name, where we're
Andreu: and local time
Andreu: ------------------
Andreu: Andreu Veà, Stanford (CA), its 12 noon
Edmon Chung: Edmon joining from IETF Vancouver 12noon PT
SHEARS: matthew shears - denmark - its 2100
ROSA: Rosa Delgado, Geneva, 21:00
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Thanks Andeu, Jim Galvin and David McAuley sharing PC
- in Vancouver and Jim is VP of chapters and I am Membership Director
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: Hello I am Hans Peter Dittler from ISOC Germany
- now from Vancouver my time is 12 noon taday
Andreu: Irwan... did you fall sleep ?
Andreu:
Andreu: (he joins us from Jakarta Indonesia)
Andreu: ------------
Andreu: OK I think we can start
Andreu: probably more people will join
Andreu: in a few minutes.
Andreu: -------------But let's be prompt
Andreu: Matthew you've the "word"
SHEARS: okay - thanks everyone - great to be on this chat
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: this is only 3:00 AM, any reason I should be
sleeping ?
Andreu:
SHEARS: thought i would add some text about the wsis and other aspects and
then talk through some of it so bear with me for a moent
SHEARS: moment
Andreu: ok
SHEARS: About the WSIS:
The World Summit on the Information Society is being held in two phases: the
first was in Geneva (10-12 December 2003); the second will take place in
Tunis (16-18 November 2005). The WSIS brings together Heads of State and
Government, Executive Heads of the United Nations agencies, non-governmental
organizations, civil society entities, industry leaders and media
representatives with the aim of producing a statement of political will and
plan of action to shape the future of the global information society.
The results of the WSIS are intended to promote the access of all countries
to information, knowledge and communication technologies for development.
The WSIS is also seen as a unique opportunity for key stakeholders to
develop a common vision and understanding
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Wow, Matthew, you sure can type.
SHEARS: good eh?
Andreu: he's a machine...
SHEARS: and to address the whole range of relevant issues related to the
Information Society.
The Summit was endorsed by the UN General Assembly and takes place under the
high patronage of Kofi Annan, UN Secretary-General, with the International
Telecommunication Union taking the lead role in its preparation.
http://www.itu.int/wsis/basic/about.html
SHEARS: and the rest -
SHEARS: many of you may already know this - but the importance of the wsis
was to focus on leveraging ICTs for development and other wrothy aims
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: let's peel the onion skin
SHEARS: there's the link
SHEARS: peel away when you want
SHEARS: so for ISOC we had a couple of focus areas:
Andreu: Irwan let the lecturer say
Andreu: and then we start the Q & A period
SHEARS: Key issue areas:
1. Internet Governance:
The issue of greatest concern to ISOC and to much of ISOC's membership is
that of Internet Governance. WSIS considers Internet Governance in its
broadest sense, covering not just issues related to the Domain Name System
for example, but also issues related to spam, cyber-security,
interconnection costs for developing countries, etc. It is fair to say that
this issue has eclipsed all others in the WSIS process when it was supposed
to be but a component. The issue has become an opportunity for many
countries to voice their concerns related to the Internet and its
administration or management by ICANN and others and the USDoC. Many
countries are seeking fundamental structural changes to the governance
mechanisms of today (see below for IS
SHEARS: ISOC positioning).
The latest documents and state of play on Internet Governance can be found
here:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/preparatory2/pc3/index.html
SHEARS: this is the key issue although there are others of importance to
such as:
SHEARS: 2. Financial Mechanisms:
The purpose of this activity was to assess the various financing mechanisms
for ICT for development and to recommend improvements. The latest text can
be found here:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs2/pc3/off7rev1.pdf
3. Stocktaking:
An additional activity undertaken by the WSIS was the compilation of
initiatives, actions and programs undertaken by stakeholders in support of
the WSIS principles, focusing on ICT for development:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/index.html
SHEARS: but the headline grabbing issue is governance.
SHEARS: so what has ISOC been doing here:
SHEARS: ISOC's role:
ISOC has represented the Internet Community through out the WSIS process and
has been a central player in all discussions. Most recently, ISOC
participated in Geneva in September in the 3rd preparatory session (called
PrepCom3) for the final meeting of the World Summit on the Information
Society (WSIS) in Tunis. ISOC was represented by Lynn St.Amour and Matthew
Shears, the new Director of Public Policy. In addition, ISOC implemented a
new program for PrepCom3: the ISOC Ambassador program, in which 12
individuals from around the globe were invited to Geneva to participate as
ISOC representatives. This program added significant insight and presence
for ISOC during the proceedings.
SHEARS: the ambassador program has been an excellent activity to bring in
truly global reach to our policy programs
SHEARS: many in geneva at the latest round of preparatory discussions for
tunis were very impressed with ISOC ambassadors and commended ISOC on this
activity - hopefully we will get to do more of this
SHEARS: so specficically in geneva we did the following:
SHEARS: ISOC made a number of significant contributions to the Internet
Governance debate through submitting detailed comments on specific proposals
and through statements during the plenaries. ISOC’s contributions were
referenced by a number of the delegations, including those from Australia,
New Zealand, the United States, Canada and others. ISOC’s contributions can
be found here:
http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/wsis/
Andreu: By the way (I didn't mentioned in my introduction, but Matthew is
our (ISOC) Director of Public Policy.
SHEARS: hey, thanks!
Andreu:
SHEARS: sorry should have done that myself
SHEARS: let me interrupt my furious typing and say that I have been on board
2 half months and very happy to be part of the ISOC family
SHEARS: we asked our ambassadors to blog their participatioin in geneva and
they will be doing the same in tunis - in their mother tongue and english
SHEARS: In addition, the ISOC Ambassadors were invited to Blog their
experiences and impressions during the Geneva meetings. These provide for
interesting reading and can be found here:
http://geneva.isoc.org/blogs/wsis/
SHEARS: hope you don't mind all these links
SHEARS: let me talk about one last thing before the substance of the policy
matters
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: The links are fine especially for those who will
access transcript
SHEARS: ISOC and other members of the Internet Community (NRO, CENTR,
AfrISPA, LINX, ICANN and the IETF) will also be manning “The Internet
Pavilion” in the WSIS Exhibition Hall during the Summit. Details on the
Pavilion can be found here:
http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/wsis/pavilion.shtml
SHEARS: so in Tunis we are both in the policy discussions and the exhibition
- check out the link above for details as to our pavilion - and if you are
going to be there - join us!
SHEARS: Let me spend a minute on the policy issues facing us in Tunis
SHEARS: You've probably seen from the press that there is a lot of political
grandstanding regarding the "control" of the Internet
SHEARS: a lot of countries are concerned that control of the Internet is not
sufficiently international or accountable (to governments)
SHEARS: ISOC has a particular conern about the proposals to put in place new
"oversight" mechanisms that will effectively place another layer of
hierarchy on the govenance of the Internet
SHEARS: mechanisms run by governments
SHEARS: of course we argue that this is ununecessary and counter to the
spirit of the Internet
SHEARS: unecessary because the mechanisms are in place - Regional INternet
Registries, ICANN, IETF, ccTLDs registries, etc.
SHEARS: but many governments look at the Internet in the "old world" way -
expecting that it should be run by governments if it deals with "critical
resources" and the Internet has been so successful that they see addresses,
ccTLDs, etc., as critical resources
SHEARS: to their economic development, national security, etc.
Andreu: (rosa had some trouble and I'm trying to invite her again)
SHEARS: So to quickly sum up, we have two worlds, some of which see the need
for more government involvement, and others who see the system as working
just fine thank you
ROSA has joined the conference.
SHEARS: may be I should leave it there?
SHEARS: rosa can certainly give us a perrspective as she has been liging
through this as well
SHEARS: living
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Matthew, in prepcom I read about civil society being
asked to leave the room - what is the meeting in Tunis to be like? is there
a way for participation or is it scripted
ROSA: i was disconnected sorry I lost all the text
Andreu: I'm forwarding it to you Rosa (in 30 secs)
SHEARS: there is a way but it is scripted - the pre-meeting just before
Tunis that will deal with governance issues and other things will be based
on the following 45 minutes for non-government participants for every 6
hours of government discussion
SHEARS: we ISOC can at best expect 3 - 5 minutes every 6 hours
SHEARS: rosa - i said that you could also give your perspective as you have
lived tghrough this
ROSA: one thing is interesting in Geneva in order to get you plane ticket
you must show invittaion to WSIS so everything is controlled - I think
SHEARS: yes there have been concerns about how open this will be
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: I have seen a lot of discussion regarding th forum
function - I take it that those intereted in Internet Governance are looking
to create a forum coming out of WSIS
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: uh, moderator, are we in Q & A yet?
Andreu: Yes
Andreu: After the first 30 minutes of lecture
Andreu: we start the Q & A
ROSA: Some NGos have been refused to enter into Tunisia for WSIS- I wonder
how much transparency will be in the process next week
Andreu: naturally.
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: ok, then my question is: why ISOC seems to have
taken the counter moves very lightly ?
SHEARS: thanks - can you clarify what you mean by counter moves?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: From May to October, I was busy fighting Indonesian
government
ROSA: Matheu - what do you think it will happens if the Tunis meeting will
not get consensus? more prepcoms in 2006?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: They support ITU because they see a lot of money
coming in if they control internet
SHEARS: yes, on the motivations of the ITU - there are those
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: One of the most obvious action: taking over
management of ccTLD .ID
SHEARS: who belive that the ITU needs to make a play for the Internet
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: I call that sort of action "counter moves"
SHEARS: and the ITU's role is far from clear although many believe that they
would like to manage any follow-up from Tunis
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: frankly, ISOC response about these "distant
actions" are slow and unfocused
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: we lost the battle here due to that.
SHEARS: not sure I would characterise it as such - but certainly the more we
can head off actions that threaten the principles we endorse the better
SHEARS: Rosa
SHEARS: to come back to your question
ROSA: pls
SHEARS: there will be some consensus in Tunis - ther has to be for ther to
be a "success"
SHEARS: the WSIS and ITU and UN need to point to something - my guess , and
it is just a guess, is that it will be some sort of Forum type activity
after Tunis
SHEARS: I cannot see oversight mechanisms being agreed upon given diveristy
of views
ROSA: Forum was suppose to be a civil society activity but my guess is that
soem Govs want to have a hand on this too
SHEARS: it will have to be multi-stakeholder as that is the operational
principle we have all agreed to
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: Shears, my source, who attended prepcom 3, inform
me that 63 percent of "accountable presence" agree to form a new
inter-governmental council
SHEARS: hmmmmm
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: how will 63 percent failed if there's no action to
change that right now?
SHEARS: you know the problem with these types of events is that one can read
into them just about anything
SHEARS: so my read
SHEARS: is
SHEARS: that only a few governments pushed hard for some new council - but
they were very vocal
SHEARS: if you talk to many governments they don't really wnat new
structures
ROSA: Brazil, India, China, South Africa.. etc. are not just any Gov?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: well, I can tell you for sure that Indonesian
government support the call for new structure
SHEARS: yes, there are different groupings that have arisen
ROSA: these are the countries that are pushing inter-governnamental form of
governnace
SHEARS: there are those that Rosa has just outlined
SHEARS: and then ther are others
SHEARS: Canada, NZ, Australia, maybe Singapore, maybe US that do not hold
same views
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: Singapore? are you sure ?
ROSA: Mathew - whta is the final European positipn?
SHEARS: and there are others who have different views - if you look at the
proposals on WSIS site you will see that ther are also ones that come
together aroun d the Argentine. African position
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: Singapore's state company SingTel assist our
government in taking over ccTLD management
SHEARS: The EU position is unclear - industry has spent time with the
Commission and other member states
ROSA: under the recommendation of the ITU
SHEARS: to try and get clarity as to position
SHEARS: the problem with these positions is that they are generic enough and
vague enough that other delegations can read into them
SHEARS: so you had the situation of the announcement of the EU proposal
being welcomed with open arms by Iran, Brazil and others
SHEARS: not sure that the EU had anticipated that
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: push harder and you'll get definite answer
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: I push hard enough, the head of Indonesian
delegation sent an email to me, telling me to shut up
ROSA: true, but they cannot change their positio anymore - I think
SHEARS: in these negotiations you can't really tell delegates to be quiet
SHEARS: rosa - i agree that whatever happens the EU only has as much margin
for manoeuvre as it can find in its text
SHEARS: as do all parties that submitted text - there in lies the dilemma if
you submit text
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: the real question here: how about people? so far
they are counting only governments, companies, organizations, no real effort
for a real opinion survey
SHEARS: very good opiint
SHEARS: point
SHEARS: the end-user seems to have been forgotten
SHEARS: 957 million Internet user as of September 2005
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: yes
Andreu: The problem is that they don't have a unique voice.
Andreu: ISOC represents part of this society...
SHEARS: question for governments: would what is decided in Tunis be endorsed
by those Billion users?
SHEARS: my guess is probably not
Andreu:
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: I have here with me list of 1264 names of
Indonesian internet user who has agreed to appoint me to voice their rights,
but they don't want to join ISOC
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: and I have not even advertise in newspaper
SHEARS: the issue is getting governmetns to understand that they have a duty
to those end-users
ROSA: if UN is involved it legitimates the process despite users
SHEARS: therein lies a problem
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: agree, while you are at it, please pass our voice:
we don't care how it work, just make sure it works, and please cut the
bandwidth cost.
SHEARS: the UN cannot relfect those users because its systen of
representation is based upon the "old" nationa state system
SHEARS: this is one of the fundamental dilemmas of the Internet and
government involvement
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: If you need signatures, I can collect about 10
thousand in 2 days time
SHEARS: I like that kind of thinking
SHEARS: but you can also cut bandwidth costs through more bandwidth
SHEARS: which gets to a point about these negotiations
ROSA: Hero-tsai, a paragraph regarding reduced bw cost was added by
Bangladesh in the final prepcom3 doc...
SHEARS: they sometimes miss the point of what the user needs to get online
and to benefit from the Internet
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: uh, in Indonesia, we are talking about cost to dial
SHEARS: point taken
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: 97 percent dial up users with pay per minute rates
SHEARS: lot of folks suggest new technologies for situations like that -
wimax, etc. any thoughts on that
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: like, attending this meeting cost me the equivalent
of one lunch
SHEARS: would be interested iin hearing view of Germany maybe on WSIS?
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: why from Germany???
SHEARS: or Asia countries - anyone have any views
SHEARS: Because they are important player in EU
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: not from us, our problem is not technology, but
policy
ROSA: regulators who are members of ITU
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: My guess is very similar to yours - there will
be not too much concrete things coming out of next week - most things will
be moved to follow up meetings
SHEARS: If governance issues continue beyond Tunis - what should they be
focussed on?
SHEARS: Looking for input
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: they or us?
ROSA: oversight, forum...
SHEARS: all fo us
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: survey
SHEARS: all of us
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: real life survey
SHEARS: ISOC ran some surveys on WGIG report - maybe we can do more here to
canvas importance of issues
SHEARS: David?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: yes, the last one was very hard to understand
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: I say use simple words
SHEARS: It is a good idea - perhaps we can run a survey after Tunis to find
out impressions and find out critical issues for follow-up
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ has left the conference.
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ has joined the conference.
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: such as this: Do you know about internet ? Do you
wish to use internet ? Do you think your government should control how you
access the internet ?
ROSA: why not during tunis
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: We can do that Matthew - will wait until post Tunis
and then arrange
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: yes, during is better
SHEARS: logistics of during are more challenging - and we need to be able to
give guidance as to what stakeholders should be focussed on going forward
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: and, requesting permission to publish the survey on
local paper
SHEARS: as rosa says the Forum and oversight issues will consume all our
time
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: I agree - not sure we can do it during Tunis
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: uh, why not handle this the "military-style" ? let
the babbling goes on, seize the key positions
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: anything which keeps the current structure is OK
for me - even the US oversight is better than something the ITU could come
up with (personal view)
Edmon Chung has left the conference.
Edmon Chung has joined the conference.
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: suppose department of commerce in US can be made to
let go of ICANN early next yeart
SHEARS: there are many, many who agree with the view that the US role is
better than some international entity
SHEARS: we shall have to see what happens next week thought I do not beleive
that there will be any great change on that front
ROSA: This will not be accepted by most Govs
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: But the primary reason for forming a new
intergovernmental body is supposedly because ICANN is under U.S. control
right ?
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: It will be a busy and important week and so best
wishes for it Matthew
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: if you can somehow managed to get ICANN a new
"independent" status, they lose their pretext
SHEARS: I think that governments who wnat to change status of player should
do so through participating more fiully in those processes and players
SHEARS: not impose change from outside
SHEARS: thanks david - ther will be some long nights
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: If they really want to "participate", they will do
it from the inside
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: I am sure there will be - to those here and who read
transcript please go by ISOC pavilion
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: There is no way to be really independent for
ICANN - this would need an inter-governemental agreement like the one which
is the base of the ITU - very complicated process to setup something like
this
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: however, this is all just about money
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: no, US can simply provide ICANN a special status
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: much like the way Italy provide for Vatican
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: got the idea ?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: so ICANN will be treated as Embassy
Andreu: (wait, the Vatican State is not italy )
ROSA: or like Red Cross or other
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: yes, similar to that
Andreu: OK
Andreu: Any other questions ?
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: vatican is not in Italian land ?
SHEARS: Unlilely that that will occur anytime during Tunis however!
Andreu: Edmon, you have been very quiet...
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: non during Tunis
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: how about within the next six months?
SHEARS: wouldn't want to hazard a guess on that
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: whatever they decide on Tunis, it will take at
least one year to implement
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Edmon just left for a meeting
SHEARS: yes, he dropped
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: you can simply shake all their efforts down the
drain by removing the primary reason
Edmon Chung: back now
SHEARS: Remember that this isn't just about the Internet - it is not
differernt than other inter-governmental events - lots of posturing for
geo-political aims
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Andreu I may have to leave in a moment
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: I agree, as I said, this is about money and power
SHEARS: Andreu - thanks for this opportunity
SHEARS: to chat about WSIS
SHEARS: it has been all comsuming
SHEARS: since I came on board
Andreu: OK
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: I have to go to a meeting now - see you next
time
Rosa Delgado-ISOC: tks to Andreu for organizing this chat
Andreu: Any other questions ?
Andreu: Or we'll wrap this up.
SHEARS: Rosa - see you in Tunis right?
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Thanks Andreu and Matthew
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: bring up the ribbons
Andreu: I will finally not go
Andreu: I was invited to lecture representing Stanford
SHEARS: very nice
Andreu: but they cut the sponsorship at the last minute
Andreu: when I had already the speech prepared
SHEARS: shame
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: maybe they found out that you belong to ISOC
Andreu:
ROSA: Yes but only for 3 days
SHEARS: OK look forward to seeing you there
ROSA: Matthew - good luck in Tunis
Andreu: Enjoy one of the most beatiful countries
Andreu: in the north of Africa
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: The vancouver group is about to leave
SHEARS: Thanks - going to have to go - happy to continue to chat
shears at isoc.org
Andreu: and BTW at two hours from Barcelona.
Andreu: Thanks to everybody to attend from
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: Good luck there Matthew
Andreu: so many "continents"
Andreu: europa, north america
Andreu: asia...
Matthew Shears-Public-Policy-ISOC: Many thanks Andreu -
Andreu: Same from here.
Irwan Effendi-INDONESIA: one of these days, we need to get the antartics
Andreu: Good look.
SHEARS: Bye all.
Andreu: As you see we can organice something like
Hans-Peter Dittler-ISOC-DE: bye
Andreu: this with more people at anytime
Edmon Chung: bye good to meet you all virtually
David McAuley-ISOC-HQ: goodbye
Andreu: We have tested it already.
Andreu: Goodbye.
ROSA: hasta la vista
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De: Andreu Vea' [mailto:andreu at veabaro.info]
Enviado el: martes, 08 de noviembre de 2005 21:09
Para: 'jd at isoc-es.org'
Asunto: Monographic Monthly Meeting MMM # 11 NOVEMBER (WSIS with Matthew
Shears)
Visto que la lista (al copiar a demasiados remitentes) rehusaba este
mensaje, os lo vuelvo a enviar.
Disculpad si os llega dos veces. Os animo encarecidamente a que participeis
en esta sesión desde vuestras casas. Es una buena ocasión de hablar con los
responsables q nos representaran en el WSIS de Tunez ante las Naciones
Unidas.
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After a brief summer parenthesis we re-start our regular monthly meetings.
MEETING: # 11
Matthew Shears will lecture us about the WSIS prepcom and will invite some
of the ISOC ambassadors to the UN meeting in Tunis. He'll join from Denmark.
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Date: Thursday, November the 10th .
Time: 20:00 UTC Look for your city at the newly prepared meeting
planner below .
Topic: "Last Updates on ISOC participation on WSIS"
Guest: ** Matthew Shears ** Director of Public Policy of ISOC
Status: Confirmed
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Info about our guest this month:
Matthew Shears has jumped right in ISOC and has been instrumental in
the WSIS PrepCom 3.
He is in the thick of organizing our presence at WSIS meeting in
Tunis this month.
Just have your Instant Messenger on and you'll be invited 5 minutes before.
New-Timers: Send me an email to subscribe you to the meeting
<mailto:andreu at veabaro.info> andreu at veabaro.info up to 10 minutes before the
event start time .
You can download a free IM messenger here http://messenger.yahoo.com which
supports video-cams. You can also use GAIM (only text) or others to follow
the conversations.
Don't miss this unique oportunity to know more about our ISOC colleagues
around the world
and collect first hand information from our monthly "invited guests".
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