[MemberPubPol] [chapter-delegates] FYI - in the coming discussion of the WGIG questionnaire

[Gene Gaines]

On Monday, June 20, 2005, 9:47:54 PM, Alejandro wrote:

> Veni,

> out of courtesy I've stayed silent but no, you did not reply. Lots of
> words indeed but a concrete statement is missing. Take your time -
> remember the dictum attributed, among others, I think, to Pascal or
> Leibnitz, "I apologize for the length of this letter but did not have time
> to write a shorter one."

> Alejandro Pisanty


Alejandro,

What?  Your statement above makes no sense to me.

So you condemn Veni Markovsky (during the last days of an
election).

Your problem is you are not listening to him.
(Perhaps you did not receive Veni's last several emails?)

He has been been making a number of clear and specific points.

True, he has not crafted yet another public policy statement.
That is not what is needed.

Let me try to bridge the gap between you and Veni in a
constructive manner.  Of course, this is my view.

ISOC and IETF will not change the direction and outcome of the
WGIG process or WSIS by making policy statements.

Policy statements by China, the U.S., perhaps the African
alliance, etc., may change the outcome. But simple policy
statements by a representative of ISOC or IETF will not, however
well crafted.

Veni is pleading for ISOC to take more of an active leadership
position, to increase its activities, to increase communication
between its members and its chapters.  Also to listen and to
communicate.

This takes focus and commitment on the part of its management --
in this case the ISOC Board. But is not happening, or happening
way too slowly to be effective.

What continues to be missing is communication and sharing.
Making a policy statement is not sharing.

Alejandro, with respect, this is not to say you are wrong, but
rather to say you and Veni are approaching the WSIS/WGIG problem
from two different directions.

I support Veni because he consistently has been the clearest
voice on the ISOC Board for more participation and more
effective communication between ISOC and its chapters, and ISOC
and the world.

That voice is so badly needed!

I hope that you and Veni will listen more carefully to each
other.

Gene
gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com


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> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Veni Markovski wrote:

>> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:31:50 -0400
>> From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
>> To: Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
>> Cc: memberpubpol at elists.isoc.org,
>> chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org,
>>      Patrick Vande Walle <patrick at isoc.lu>
>> Subject: Re: [MemberPubPol] [chapter-delegates] FYI - in the coming
>>     discussion of the WGIG questionnaire
>> 
>> At 17:52 20-06-05  -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
>> >On Jun 20, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Veni Markovski wrote:
>> >>Insteaf of wasting both our time, and the time of the many readers
>> >>of this list, why not start to talk about some concrete work with
>> >>respect to the changes needed, instead of the "keeping the sacred
>> >>cow untouched"?
>> >
>> >Please go back and read my statements. I have not advocated leaving
>> >the sacred cow alone. I have advocated knowing how you want to
>> >change it, why you want to change it, and what the effect of the
>> >changes you propose are before changing it, and whether those
>> >proposed changes actually meet the issues.
>> 
>> I've responded with all due respect to Alejandro questions, which
>> were pretty much on the substance of the %subject.
>> 
>> best,
>> veni 
>> 
>> 
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