[chapter-delegates] Important ISOC Request

Sun Feb 13 19:37:37 PST 2005

Dear Ramon,

I will answer this one:

Basically we'll listen to anyone willing to help without too much propaganda
or strings attached

Loans -> we don't need more

Money -> you will find that  most of it evaporates before reaching the
target. Donations in form of money also creates a false economic segment
which raise prices. One bottle of mineral water, which in Medan (North
Sumatra) cost US$ 0.20 , cost US$ 2.00 near the refugee camp in Aceh (only
around 200 km distance)

Food, medicine, clothing, housing, communication devices, safety devices ->
this are the things that is needed most, and being slowly dispatched despite
of the numerous involvement of local and foreign companies and NGO.

Some people will say that there is already enough aid and we don't need
more, ignore them. None of those voices come from those who is directly
affected, or has families directly affected.

Some people will say that we will take whatever form of help we can get,
ignore them. They are only looking for
money to corrupt or projects to win.

Who does the people listen to? To whomever willing to lend them a hand  (or
two for that matter) in good faith and clear conscience.

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As for the direction of ISOC, we in Indonesia as a developing country have
no objections whatsoever in the standards development activities. However,
we do believe that ISOC should be moving to educate the people with the
basics, so that more people will be aware of the standards, and more people
can get involved in the future.

To add to your information statistic, in Indonesia less than 1 percent of
internet user know about ISOC (or even hear the name, as the matter of
fact). Those who know however, has accuse ISOC (and USA) for practicing a
new kind of empire, technological subjugation under the pretense of
standards. Though this accussation is clearly unjustified, they all point
out at a single fact, that so far none of the standards being practised is
developed by the members from developing or underdeveloped countries.

For that, Indonesian Chapter is currently working very hard to socialize
about ISOC, the standards and such, but sadly enough, we are met with the
fact that NONE of the branch or representative office of the major vendors
(Microsoft, IBM, HP, Oracle, Computer Associates, etc.) in Indonesia is
willing to support or participate in this effort. It is as though they
confirmed the accussation that people in countries such as Indonesia is
being forced to remain in the user and programmer level, without needing to
understand the technology a step further, even less to have anything to say
about what kind of standard should be developed.

The good news is: community has a strength of its own and now we are
gathering the support and participation we need from local universities,
user groups and small businesses. However, I do feel the need to warn ISOC
that without direct involvement from the international community, Indonesian
technology will most likely be developed in a way that is similar to China,
connected yet secluded from the rest, which mean another failure for the
ideals of open standards.

If you have any good ideas on how to resolve this issue, please do let us
know.

Best regards,

Irwan Effendi
Indonesian Chapter

> I ask myself, if I were in one of the affected countries, whose
> recommendations and whose ideas for the future would I listen to today?
> Would it be those who reached out and placed new tools and applied what
they
> knew to help us?
>
> Did we, as ISOC, learn anything? Are we closer to each other and bonded
> because we can recognize with pride and respect an organization that
stands
> for both long term solutions and mobilizes its resources however meager in
> timely response as events unfold?
>
> I ask myself these questions everyday. We need to come to a consensus soon
> for as we debate these items the world is shifting very rapidly. Our
voices
> do not reach those whom we do not listen to; we lose influence with those
> with whom we do not connect with. It is a difficult balancing act. But
true
> leaders always find a way to be present, to show up in ways that open up
the
> boundless imaginations of the creative and inspire to action the many who
> are most willing to serve.
>
> With deepest respect,
> Ramón Morales
> Chairman
> Internet Society of Puerto Rico
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McAuley [mailto:mcauley at isoc.org]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:39 AM
> To: 'Gene Gaines'; 'Brian E Carpenter (IBM)'; 'Fred Baker'
> Cc: chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
> Subject: RE: [chapter-delegates] Important ISOC Request
>
> Gene,
>
> I think this is a step in a continuum. I know that the very active
> discussion regarding the tsunami disaster has been closely followed and
has
> helped inform this and, I assume, other steps that others may take. As for
> the affected countries, this call affects all countries - it is forward
> looking, embracing any emergency.
>
> This appears a positive step that was sent to the Chapters to include them
> and ask them to consider in the endorsement gathering process. It need not
> be the only action taken in this context.
>
> David
>
> David McAuley
> Membership Director
> Internet Society
> 703-326-9880, ext 104
> 703-963-5887 (mobile)
> mcauley at isoc.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Gaines [mailto:gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:41 PM
> To: Brian E Carpenter (IBM); Fred Baker; David McAuley
> Cc: chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] Important ISOC Request
>
> Brian, David,
>
> Of course, this step was taken after consultation with
> ISOC members and ISOC chapters in the affected countries?
>
> ?
>
> Gene Gaines
> gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
> Sterling, Virginia USA
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2005, 4:18:15 PM, David wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > SUPPORT THE PUBLIC WARNING NETWORK CHALLENGE
>
> >
>
> > Dear Chapter Delegates:
>
> >
>
> > As you have seen, the entire world has been active in
> > sending relief and support to the South and Southeast Asian
> > areas so disastrously struck by the late December Tsunami.
> > Once immediate life support activities were well underway,
> > thoughts then turned to ways to minimize the impact of such
> > events in future. And that is where our community can play
> > such a vital role.
>
> >
>
> > ISOC Chapters have been actively and creatively discussing
> > ways in which the ISOC community can help in the search for
> > solutions to such natural disasters. The natural role that the
> > Internet can play in disseminating information has quickly
> > become a point of focus ? the use of the Internet to
> > instantaneously and widely spread detailed and comprehensive
> > warnings. One important effort in that respect has been
> > initiated by ISOC?s Chairman, Fred Baker, and a former ISOC
> > Chairman, Brian Carpenter, who together submitted an Internet
> > Draft for consideration to the IETF ? it is entitled
> > Structure of an International Emergency Alert System and can
> > be found at the following URL:
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-alert-system-00.txt.
>
> >
>
> > Because the Internet will play a significant role in the
> > efficient distribution of these time-critical alerts, the
> > Internet Society (ISOC) has launched the 'Public Warning
> > Network Challenge' - a call for collaborative action in order
> > to make such public warning systems a reality.
>
> >
>
> > "We encourage all our members, whether corporations or
> > non-profit organisations to endorse the 'Public Warning
> > Network Challenge' by indicating how they are able to
> > collaborate on this important goal," said Lynn St.Amour,
> > President and CEO of the Internet Society. "This is an
> > excellent opportunity to show how diverse organisations and
> > entities, supported by the Internet, can work together to
> > bring the benefits of the Internet to people everywhere."
>
> >
>
> > We encourage you to disseminate this information to your
> > members and to alert other organizations which you know and
> > which may have a particular interest in this area.
>
> >
>
> > We invite endorsements from organizations across the
> > world. Your help is needed now. For more information, see:
> > http://www.isoc.org/challenge/index.php
>
> >
>
> > Best regards,
>
> >
>
> > David McAuley
>
> > Membership Director
>
> > Internet Society
>
> > 703-326-9880, ext 104
>
> > 703-963-5887 (mobile)
>
> > mcauley at isoc.org
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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