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<div>I need to correct the name of the file that contains the IEEE article. It is JubinDARPA.pdf. Hope I caught my mental lapse before anyone spent any time looking for the file. </div><div><br></div><div>barbara</div><div><br></div>
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<div>Poking around the net, I found a brief reference to the 1976 demo/test in a book titled "A Prehistory of the Cloud." The date given is August 27, 1976 and refers to a September 1977 "Progress Report on the Packet Radio Experimental Network" as the source of the information. I wasn't able to quickly find this report but the date seems correct to me. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>By the way, there is a plaque at the Alpine Inn commemerating the event so I assume the date is on the plaque. At least I hope the plaque is still there. I haven't gone to the Alpine Inn for several years.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In trying to make sure the date was correct, I came across a copy of an invited IEEE paper by John Jubin and Janet Tornow on Packet Radio for those people who want to learn more. The paper was in the Proceedings of the IEEE, Vol. 75, No. 1, January 1987. You probably can also find the paper by searching for JohnDARPA.pdf. Unfortunately, it does not cover the history so a discussion of the different releases of the protocols is not included and some research is not presented. For example, in skimming the article I did not see any mention of the Packet Radio Station.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Unfortunately, Don Cone is also no longer with us.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>barbara</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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<div><div id="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">vint, as best yours truly can recall, prior to TCP being integrated into the Tenex monitor, there were several BCPL user level programs written by Bill Plumber at BBN that used a (new at the time) ICP mechanism to communicate between them.</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">there were four programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that used PTY's -- rather than NVT's) to support remote user logins. There was also a TCP User Telnet program that allows outward TCP telneting ICP'ng to the user TCP program.</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">each of these programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that used PTY's) were auto started at system boot time by using SYSJOB's "CRJOB" mechanism to log each of them in "DETACHED" under WHEEL'd user TCP.</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Bill Plumber then later came out to SRI to install either this user TCP stuff (and the ICP and PTY monitor code) or later when TCP was integrated into the monitor (in PDP-10 Macro Assembly Language) on what was originally SRI-AI, then SRI-KA, then DARCOM-KA (where the NSW [National Software Works] also ran). </div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">as part of this installation and debugging process we would summarily stop this work each night to watch the latest episode of <i>Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman</i> on a portable TV yours truly brought in...</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">as you may recall, yours truly had one of the Collins Packet Radio's with the LSI-11 (hostname Fernwood) attached to it in yours truly's office at the time which would look out at the PRNet antenna mast across the SRI parking lot to the building where the SRI-C3P0 and SRI-R2D2 Gateway PDP-11 resided.</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">yours truly believes that the SRI Bay Area PRNet LSI-11 to Tenex Host communications first occurred using Bill Plumbers Tenex User level BCPL TCP stuff before any USC-ISI (Tenex Monitor integrated TCP) was done.</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">unfortunately, neither Bill Plumber or Ray Tomlinson are around to corroborate/chime in on this, so maybe Dan Lynch, Jim Mathis (or even Ron Kunzelman, Keith Klemba, Don Cone could), but don't know if they are on the Internet-History list or not (but clearly should be)...</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">ah, those were The Fun Days... :-)</div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow </div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">GEOFF@SRI-AI </div><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:54 PM Vint Cerf <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:vint@google.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">July (or at least summer?) 1976 between the Packet Radio network mobile host (LSI-11) and probably a host at USC-ISI on the ARPANET. Nov 22, 1977 was the first 3 net test, adding the Packet Satellite Network<div><br clear="none"></div><div>vint</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:38 PM Joly MacFie <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joly@punkcast.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>Party pooper!<div><br clear="none"></div><div>When was the first actual inter-network message sent using packet technology?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>Joly MacFie<br clear="none"><a shape="rect">218 565 9365</a></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 5:13 PM Jay Hauben <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hauben@columbia.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hauben@columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>50 years ago the first data was sent between two ARPANET IMPS. The ARPANET was a forerunner of the Internet but was not itself an internet. It was a single network not an internetwork.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span><font face="times new roman,serif" style="background-color:inherit;"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Take care.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></font></font></span></div><span><font face="times new roman,serif" style="background-color:inherit;"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Jay<br clear="none"></font></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:00 PM <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:internet-history-request@elists.isoc.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">internet-history-request@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydpd8ac0556yiv5794118914ydpc6132f37yiv2493483173gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">Send Internet-history mailing list submissions to<br clear="none">
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