<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">yes, that is correct.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 2, 2019, at 16:28, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" class="">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">John,<div class="">Michele Elie was at UCLA during part of the ARPANET work if I remember correctly and Kahn and I did also see Zimmermann and Gerard LeLann as well as Louis Pouzin and I think one other person while visiting at IRIA.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">v</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 4:00 PM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" class="">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Actually, the first datagram and end-to-end transport protocols were the CYCLADES protocols in 1972. As near as I can tell, the first dynamic sliding window protocol was CYCLADES TS developed by Elie and Zimmermann.<br class="">
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> On Nov 2, 2019, at 15:47, Bernie Cosell <<a href="mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com" target="_blank" class="">bernie@fantasyfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> On 2 Nov 2019 at 12:31, Bob Hinden wrote:<br class="">
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>> From reading this article, it would seem that BBN, who designed and<br class="">
>> developed the IMP, was located in Cambridge, California, not<br class="">
>> Massachusetts. This was, of course, a much bigger effort than just the<br class="">
>> folks in California, nor was it was it only in the US. Seems like some<br class="">
>> of the more recent articles on the history of the Arpanet/Internet are<br class="">
>> missing that.<br class="">
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>> Bob (who worked at BBN in Cambridge, and now lives in California)<br class="">
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> Speaking of California, I believe that the underlying ideas about the IP portion of <br class="">
> the TCP protocol was first tinkered with in the Cyclades network by folks, I <br class="">
> guess, in Paris CA. BBN also developed and deployed the TIP, the first "dialup" <br class="">
> service on the ARPAnet. Also not in Cambridge, CA.<br class="">
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