<div dir="ltr">John,<div>Michele Elie was at UCLA during part of the ARPANET work if I remember correctly and Kahn and I did also see Zimmermann and Gerard LeLann as well as Louis Pouzin and I think one other person while visiting at IRIA.</div><div><br></div><div>v</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 4:00 PM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Actually, the first datagram and end-to-end transport protocols were the CYCLADES protocols in 1972. As near as I can tell, the first dynamic sliding window protocol was CYCLADES TS developed by Elie and Zimmermann.<br>
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John<br>
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> On Nov 2, 2019, at 15:47, Bernie Cosell <<a href="mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com" target="_blank">bernie@fantasyfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 2 Nov 2019 at 12:31, Bob Hinden wrote:<br>
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>> From reading this article, it would seem that BBN, who designed and<br>
>> developed the IMP, was located in Cambridge, California, not<br>
>> Massachusetts. This was, of course, a much bigger effort than just the<br>
>> folks in California, nor was it was it only in the US. Seems like some<br>
>> of the more recent articles on the history of the Arpanet/Internet are<br>
>> missing that.<br>
>> <br>
>> Bob (who worked at BBN in Cambridge, and now lives in California)<br>
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> Speaking of California, I believe that the underlying ideas about the IP portion of <br>
> the TCP protocol was first tinkered with in the Cyclades network by folks, I <br>
> guess, in Paris CA. BBN also developed and deployed the TIP, the first "dialup" <br>
> service on the ARPAnet. Also not in Cambridge, CA.<br>
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