<div dir="ltr">many mourn the demise of TECO....<div><br></div><div>:-)</div><div><br></div><div>v</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:46 AM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">There was a technical part. I thought it was mostly technical. There was a real attempt to come up with protocols to make resource sharing a lot more seamless beyond RJE and just logging in to another system as a timesharing user. Things to facilitate running a distributed program over more than one machine, etc. There were probably 5 or 6 new protocols being proposed to develop. I don’t remember what they were now, but could dig it out.<div><br></div><div>The one I do remember from the first meeting was, that someone proposed that we needed a common editor. (Remember the ‘my editor’s better than your editor! debates’?), ;-) </div><div><br></div><div>I remember thinking ‘o, good grief given the debates we had over FTP, this is going to go forever!’ Padlipsky piped up and said, ’The example PL/1 program in the Multics Programmers Manual is a simple editor. Lets just use that.’ The reaction was, 'sure why not' and the discussion was over in minutes. Total shock. And within a few weeks there were NETEDs all over the ’Net. (And I don’t think any of them were exactly the same.) ;-) They just couldn’t resist the temptation to ‘improve’ it. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Take care,</div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 23:59, Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7969534642975125216Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div dir="auto">Thanks. Key word lobbying. I didn’t see anything technical.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Steve</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Dave Crocker <<a href="mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net" target="_blank">dhc@dcrocker.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 7/5/2019 7:24 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:<br>
> With apology, what was USING?<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" target="_blank">jeanjour@comcast.net</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" target="_blank">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
...<br>
> If collaboration of people was one of the main goals, why was USING<br>
> turned off? That seemed to be a hot bed of collaboration with great<br>
> potential.<br>
<br>
<br>
USING was the Users Interest Network Group. I co-chaired it with Nancy <br>
Neigus, and the 'sponsorship' of Craig Fields, then of Arpa:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/</a><br>
<br>
It was yet-another very early and spontaneous effort, with an initial <br>
task of figuring what it was for.<br>
<br>
The RFC summarized this as:<br>
<br>
The group will devote itself to lobbying on behalf of user interests,<br>
to promoting and facilitating resource sharing, to improving user<br>
interfaces (support), and to studies of standardization. The<br>
ultimate goal will be provide users identification of, and<br>
facilitated access to, whatever resources on the Network they might<br>
wish to use.<br>
<br>
I've seen various explanations of why we shut down, but my own <br>
recollection is that we simply could not gain enough traction. That is, <br>
not a broad enough based of community interest.<br>
<br>
d/<br>
-- <br>
Dave Crocker<br>
Brandenburg InternetWorking<br>
<a href="http://bbiw.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bbiw.net</a><br>
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