<div><div dir="auto">Layering was part of the earliest discussions we had in 1968-69.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:34 PM Craig Partridge <<a href="mailto:craig@tereschau.net">craig@tereschau.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Related but not quite on target.<div><br></div><div>The hourglass/margarita glass is a representation of layering. And back in 1988 I tried to figure out the origins of the layered model for a collection of networking papers I edited. At the time, the best answer I found was that layering, from a networking perspective, originated with a paper by Davidson et al. on the ARPANET TELNET protocol from the DATACOM conference in 1977. It portrays layering as a fan, in which different protocols layer on each other as needed. But it clearly articulates the notion of layering and how layers interact. (And there's a narrow window between the 1977 paper and the Cerf/Kahn 1974 paper on TCP/IP, which presumably would have mentioned layering if the concept was in wide use).</div><div><br></div><div>Craig</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:10 AM Andrew Russell <<a href="mailto:arussell@arussell.org" target="_blank">arussell@arussell.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi everyone - <div><br></div><div>You might have seen the CACM featured an article in the most recent issue “On the Hourglass Model” - <a href="https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/7/237714-on-the-hourglass-model/fulltext" target="_blank">https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2019/7/237714-on-the-hourglass-model/fulltext</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>It’s not a history paper, but it raised a history-related question for me. As far as I know the visual representation in question started with a drawing of a margarita glass in 1979, in the context of an OSI committee meeting and the 7-layer model. I reproduced the image on page 214 of my book “Open Standards and the Digital Age” - it’s visible to me here: </div><div><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=jqroAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214" target="_blank">https://books.google.com/books?id=jqroAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>My question for the list has 2 parts:</div><div>1) when/where did the margarita glass turn into an hourglass?</div><div>2) when/where did the TCP/IP community borrow it from the OSI community? (I’m assuming this is how it happened, would be very interested in evidence or recollections to the contrary)</div><div><br></div><div>My hunch, without doing a fresh round of research, is that I should look first to papers by David Clark and co-authors in the 1980s to answer a third question, which is how this illustrated concept morphed into a “Theorem” (as the CACM essay puts it). But that’s just a hunch, and I’d really appreciate pointers or recollections.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div></div>_______<br>
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