<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 2:11 PM Dave Crocker <<a href="mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net">dhc@dcrocker.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 6/1/2019 3:58 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
> i think the spam wasn't quite e-marketing as much as it was just abuse <br>
> of a mailinglist....<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">It could both be the latter and also be if not the former at least a fore-runner of the former?</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
1. Abuse of mail, certainly -- and especially for the rules and mores in <br>
force at the time -- but it was a hand-generated addressee list into the <br>
message, not part of a list processor redistribution mechanism.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">To be fair, we usually do something once manually before automating it, to see how it works and set the specifications. So while automation is required for full-blown e-marketing, i wouldn't require it of the patient 0.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
3. I recently heard that in spite of the community outrage, the campaign <br>
was actually successful. It generated a goodly number of purchases for <br>
what it was promoting.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Not at all surprising. <br>DEC had good product in the day, and the target list was reasonably well targetted. <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">And IIRC the outrage stuck to the particular sender, not to the company.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Q. Was not boycotting DEC because of spam because the company disavowed his trespass quickly or because it was just assumed he was a loose cannon, that executives wouldn't understand sufficiently to condone and be complicit?<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
By this measure, it will might qualify as e-marketing. alas...<br></blockquote></div><br><div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Nothing appears initially in fully evolved form. <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">The DEC spam is at least proto-Spam, proto-e-marketing; as would be unsolicited offers on TELEX and Fax.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br>(<pedantic/> It's not "spam" in the narrowest allusive sense of spam spam spamitty spam repetition ... though it should have been sent repeatedly to a different 20 at a time instead of all at once ! but blasting to too many recipients unrequested is also classed under the rubric of Spam today.)<br><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Q. Was up-thread reference to Telegraphic spam via flat rate a reference to TELEX or to prior art? I would be interested in references to any pre-TELEX telegraphic (as in dots and dashes, not Baudot) spam. Although using a PDP-[:digit:] or hardcoded controller to robodial a programmed TELEX spam list (or list of numbers on second papertape reader, with message on a loop) would be very interesting too.<br></div><br></div><div>-- </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br><a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a><div><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux</a> <br></div></div></div></div>