<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Vint says</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">> not so richard. By 1983, DOD had officially endorsed OSI.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Indeed. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">DoD formal endorsement of OSI was Mike Padlipsky's cross to bear. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">His portion of our Department at MITRE was on the DODIIS procurement.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">(DODIIS was the compartmented secure fork of the MILNET fork of the DARPA Internet for "the community".)<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">"They" were very unhappy with his pointed commentary on ISO OSI not being ready for real use, let alone being "bad art".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Luckily his pointedest papers were approved for public release in 1982.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I erred in replying off-list over the weekend -- remedied below.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_3056132749457431303gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br><a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The Literary Estate of M.A.P.<br></span></a></div></div></div></div>
</div><br clear="all"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Bill Ricker</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:50 PM<br>Subject: Re: [ih] When did "32" bits for IP register as "not enough"?<br>To: Brian E Carpenter <<a href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
fwiw, it was by then two years after the rant** which marked my own<br>
epiphany. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">[</span>...<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">]</span><br>
** B.E. Carpenter, Is OSI Too Late?, RARE Networkshop 1989, Computer Networks and ISDN Systems, 17 (1989) 284-286, DOI 10.1016/0169-7552(89)90040-8<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Now that the words "rant" and "epiphany" have been mentioned, I should mention that such epiphanies were foretold by a ranting prophet, not respected in his own bureaucracy (a metaphoric country, as is traditional since Cassandra):<br><br> M.A.Padlipsky's <b>Tea-Bag Papers</b> of 1982.<br><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">(<a name="m_3056132749457431303_teabag"></a>The original private-circulation edition of these technical papers came with a coverpage with photocopied Salada tea-bag-tag-lines, hence the sobriquet.)</p><ul style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><li><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc871" target="_blank">RFC871:</a><span> </span>A Perspective on the ARPANet Reference Model</li><li><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc872" target="_blank">RFC872:</a><span> </span>TCP-on-a-LAN</li><li><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc873" target="_blank">RFC873:</a><span> </span>Illusion of vendor support</li><li><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc874" target="_blank">RFC874:</a><span> </span>Critique of X.25</li><li><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc875" target="_blank">RFC875:</a><span> </span>Gateways, architectures, and heffalumps</li></ul></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">which are summarized by his pastiche of a Tuna advertisement of the day which made it into one of the Quotes files:</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><blockquote style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><p>On Networking Architecture<span> </span><br>"Do you want protocols that look nice or protocols that work nice?''<span> </span><br>Mike Padlipsky, internet architect --<span> Bitmover </span><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20050308174523/http://www.bitmover.com/lm/quotes.html" target="_blank">Quote file</a></p></blockquote></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">These papers were the "existing draft" that Mike showed to the Prentice-Hall field editor through whom I'd ordered another colleague's book as alternate text for a class -- Unix for Secretaries -- who'd asked me if I'd like to write a technical book, and I said no, but my colleague Mike has the beginnings of one, and thus became the core of <i><b>The Elements of Networking Style</b> (& Other Essays & Animadversions of the Art of Intercomputer Networking</i>), 1985. (So yes, I'm implicated marginally, which is why I'm here.) Alas the Literary Estate of A.A.Milne refused to grant mechanical copyright to include the actual Heffalump quotation in the book. (Possibly they feeling burned by "<i>The Tao of Poo</i>"?)</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">IIRC the GOSIPing ISORMites in DODIIS management - his nominal customer at MITRE while continuing to do WG like things - were not most pleased, and his later commentary on ISO OSI RM vis-a-vis TCP/IP had to be "handkerchiefed" to hide the "constructive snottiness" (and/or privately circulated). <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="m_3056132749457431303gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Bill Ricker<br><a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The Literary Estate of M.A.P.<br></span></a></div></div></div></div>
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