<div dir="auto">I was on the FTP board when MS released TCP/IP for DOS. It killed the market for FTP.<div dir="auto">V</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 14:16 Clem Cole <<a href="mailto:clemc@ccc.com">clemc@ccc.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:27 PM Dave Crocker <<a href="mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dhc@dcrocker.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2/18/2019 7:35 AM, Tony Finch wrote:<br>> I was wondering what effect KA9Q had on low-end adoption. I turned up<br>> later, but I remember stories from early (1992 ish) dial-up commercial<br>> Internet users who relied on KA9Q.<br>
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<br>I believe KA9Q created a lingua franca for PC use of the Internet, <br>within the technical community. That counted as a major improvement, IMO.</blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">IMO: Phil (who was a friend and former lab partner at CMU) did an outstanding great job; although I would say FTP SW folks in Andover may have been more important from a commercial standpoint. Best I can tell, Phil's implementation was popular in the ham community where he originally released it to use over radio TTY HW.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The MIT's guys (I believe for Project Athena) and then created FTP actually made a product that was tuned to PC Ethernet HW (and DOS). I had access to both implementations at the time. For instance, we used the FTP stuff for a project at Mass General Hospital, even though it cost a few hundred dollars and Phil's was 'open source'. But FTP SW's solution was more polished and integrated better into their environment. Phil's stuff was a 'hackers tool kit' and although I personally had it running at home, I can say I was reluctant to use it someplace where I was not there to 'maintain it.'</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">One of the differences is that FTP guys did the important thing of creating a socket implementation for windows and thus were able to port a lot of the UNIX code using the 386 'DOS extender' from Pharlap and early 386/C compiler. For a short time, they seemed to be winning the IP for PC battle until MSFT got the IP religion and included an IP/TCP implementation in Win95.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Clem</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><br>
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