<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Paul Vixie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@redbarn.org" target="_blank">paul@redbarn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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Clem Cole wrote:<br>
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neither usenet nor the uucp network could have existed without the<br>
other.<br>
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I don't think that is really correct, because they can into being<br>
differently.<br>
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i agree that they came into being differently. but without usenet, the distribution of horton's maps would not have been possible, and without uucpnet, replies to newsgroup postings would not have been possible. so i ought to have said "neither could have achieved the scale it did without the other". thanks for this correction.<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Interresting... Paul I think you are referring to on the issue UUCPnet that should have been a sign for the Internet.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The UUCPnet grew incredibly fast because it was easy and reasonably cheap to attach ... but quickly the 'routing problem' emerged. In traditional UNIX style, UUCP had been design without worrying about some problems -- UUCP was thinking small scale so how mail (packets or whatever got there) was not an issue. You did your own routing. But with many, thousands of nodes, this was a huge problem.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Netnews gets layered on top of UUCP and because of the growth, and the wild nature, this lack of support for routinr quickly becomes an issue. So as Paul mentioned the 'mapping project' got started and there became an effort to layer some concept of sanity of routing (at least for news messages). But message/network sub-routing was never really well thought, much less a solved.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Years later the actual same issue would show up, with networking routing once it became cheap to add to the IP network. But, it just took maybe 10 years because the technology to attach many, many IP networks cheaply over long distances had to drop in cost enough before IP hit the same wall.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
incidentally, when uunet technologies (a non-profit) recast itself as uunet communications services (a for-profit), the money left over was used to launch internet systems consortium (a non-profit).</blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">+1 Indeed, as a one time President of USENIX, the whole UUNET/ISC, Open Access for all documents legacy are some of a many cools things I'm very proud of the organizations legacy.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Clem</div> </div></div></div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img alt="" style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY2xlbWNAY2NjLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=0a8a2a03-6b41-4335-91d0-b8cad155dd59"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div>