<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Paul Vixie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@redbarn.org" target="_blank">paul@redbarn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">usenet really was just the newsgroups.<br></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">A squishy definition that could be argued - I'm not sure which I side I pick and I lived the period and helped with some of the code at the time.</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">IIRC</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> Mark (now Mary Ann) Horton used to distinguish between the set of UUCP nodes (UUCPnet) and the Newsgroups nodes with the term 'newsnet'</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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the uucp mapping project defined the set of bang-path-addressible nodes.<br></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Right...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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neither usenet nor the uucp network could have existed without the other.<br></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I don't think that is really correct, because they can into being differently.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I remember Truscott describing the his 3 or 4 site UUCP network at the Boulder USENIX (Circa 1979 I think) -- 'The Black Hole'. I was personally fancianted with his description of their home grown dialer using a relay to short Tip and Ring on their POTS line, because they could not accord an real one from Western Electric. When we return from the conference, Horton at Berkeley, me at Teklabs and ber at Whippany added our nodes to Truscotts network within a few weeks. aps added decvax within 6 months (I don't remember who was behind ihnp4 which was also an early node). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">They key point was that the uucp network took shape from the internal BTL network that was basically private already and when Truscott announced what he had duplicated something for a couple of Universities in research triangle, and was offering let anyone else be part. We all did. BTL was not on the Arpanet and they already had UUCP so it was not bug deal to join UUCP for mail.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> The newsgroups part was about 3 years later</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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uunet was a company.<br></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And was to solve a big problem the UUCPnet had. Before USENIX forked off the UUNET Experiment, it also forked off another using the cable TV system who's exact name escapes me -- I want to say Stargate - that broadcast the news traffic over cable TV. The problem was that it was discovered that decvax had an over $600/yr phone bill. Somebody at Indian Hill had researched their phone bill which was similar, but has realized for ever every long distance call they placed it was generating 10-20 down stream and most of the those were going to AT&T, so it was worth it. But we all knew the system was on borrowed time and better solution was needed. Rick Adam made a proposal to the USENIX BOD to try a at cost system that could use commercial systems to try bring the cost down. UUNET was born. It was successful and was eventually forked off as its own company. The Stargate experiemtn was abandoned.</div><br></div></div></div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img alt="" style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY2xlbWNAY2NjLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=860167a2-08f4-4644-b595-50520ad33e92"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div>