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Dear Vint,<br>
<br>
the dates are indeed similar.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured_Book_protocols">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured_Book_protocols</a><br>
<br>
They were indeed contemporary. And when I used them on DEC VAX, the
address was something of the like: CBS%UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM::ZDEE699 --
which would be <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ZDEE699@UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM">ZDEE699@UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM</a><br>
(my then email address :-) )<br>
To send to an Internet address: (you for example)<br>
CBS%UK.AC.NSFNET-RELAY::us.va.reston.cnri::vcerf<br>
<br>
Sending to an X.400, one had to start with:<br>
CBS%UK.AC.MHS-RELAY::<br>
with the rest in quotes. Often the parser in the return made an
absolute mess with X.400 sourced emails. <br>
<br>
Also, note that CBS also accepted bang! paths, but the difference
between the % and @ delimiters in specifically routed emails for
example, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vcerf%cnri.reston.va.us@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk">vcerf%cnri.reston.va.us@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk</a> didn't exist,
thus it was :: all the way.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
ps. the "transition" came when one ran TCP-IP over X.25.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/04/2018 21:03, Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">does anyone on the list recall the rough dates for
the "Colored Book Protocol" ? Seems possible that these were at
least contemporary with DNS and UCL was confronted with the need
to translate between those and the ARPANET and/or Internet
protocols of the time.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Eric
Gade <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eric.gade@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eric.gade@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also worth noting that in a May 1984 draft of
RFC 920 (and a few drafts prior to this going back to
April), ISO-3166 was *not* specified as a set for
potential TLDs, but .UK *was* given as an example. In
fact, the inclusion of UK was used by many participants
discussing the draft to argue in favor of both a
country-based set of TLDs and a more generic set (note
that these early drafts used .PUB and .COR instead of .COM
and .ORG). It was sometime between May and July that the
ISO list was proposed as the ccTLD set.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:02
AM, John Klensin <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jklensin@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jklensin@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes,
Nigel, I should (for several reasons) have
remembered that<br>
comment in RFC 920, but my recollection is still
consistent with that<br>
document and your list. That timeline list is,
IMO, extremely useful<br>
and far more accessible (and, IIR, comprehensive)
that the Park<br>
dissertation.<br>
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On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Nigel
Roberts <<a
href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nigel@channelisles.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Far be it from me to be seen to clarify
John's first hand knowledge of<br>
> RFC 1591, but it's worth pointing out
that the decision to use<br>
> ISO-3166-1 was not first documented in
RFC 1591, but already in RFC 920<br>
> (October 1984) as follows<br>
><br>
>> Countries<br>
>><br>
>> The English two letter code (alpha-2)
identifying a country according the the ISO
Standard for "Codes for the Representation of
Names of Countries" [5].<br>
>><br>
>> As yet no country domains have been
established. As they are established
information about the administrators and
agents will be made public, and will be listed
in subsequent editions of this memo."<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Stephen Deerhake and I put together an
(as yet unfinished) hyperlinked<br>
> timeline of the DNS quite recently. Even
though there are some places<br>
> where the editing is still a little
rough, I think there is some useful<br>
> stuff which is not easily accessible
otherwise.<br>
><br>
> You can find it at <a
href="http://timeline.as" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://timeline.as</a><br>
><br>
> It does need a little work, and we need
to move it from using TikiWiki<br>
> (which seemed like a good idea at the
time) to something faster, but<br>
> there are some interesting things
there...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 04/15/2018 02:13 PM, John Klensin
wrote:<br>
>>> The only explanation I got orally
was that "GB stands for Great Britain, while
UK stands for United Kingdom of Great Britain
and the Northern Ireland".<br>
>>><br>
>>> That was enough for me. Don't
even remember who explained it, but it was
around the famous entry of .CS into the root
zone that created the "interesting" situation
with <a href="http://CS.BERKELEY.EDU"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">CS.BERKELEY.EDU</a>
(and others) and massive weird extra hacking
in <a href="http://sendmail.cf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sendmail.cf</a> due
to the Janet "reverse" order of labels in a
domain name.<br>
>><br>
>> Let me try an even less complicated
one, based on what I was told when<br>
>> we were evaluating what became the
decision to use ISO 3166 alpha-2<br>
>> codes: The country code system
started because of a request from the<br>
>> UK to be able to manage their own DNS
hierarchy rather than depending<br>
>> on a US-based organization to manage
the TLD. The ccTLDs are US and<br>
>> UK were decided upon (and possibly
delegated) before other<br>
>> administrative decisions about ccTLDs
were made and "UK" was what they<br>
>> asked for.<br>
>><br>
>> FWIW: (1) While RFC 1591 was not
published until 1994, it, for the<br>
>> most part, described thinking and
procedures that had had been in<br>
>> place for years rather than anything
of significant that was novel.<br>
>> (2) YJ Park, whom some of you may
know, tried to sort though all of<br>
>> these issues and history while
working on her dissertation. The<br>
>> search for answers to questions of
this type might reasonably start<br>
>> with her and that dissertation. That
should lead to some context and<br>
>> references even where she does not
have exact answers.<br>
>><br>
>> john<br>
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