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    Dear Vint,<br>
    <br>
    the dates are indeed similar.<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured_Book_protocols">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured_Book_protocols</a><br>
    <br>
    They were indeed contemporary. And when I used them on DEC VAX, the
    address was something of the like: CBS%UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM::ZDEE699  --
    which would be <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ZDEE699@UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM">ZDEE699@UK.AC.KCL.CC.ELM</a><br>
    (my then email address :-) )<br>
    To send to an Internet address: (you for example)<br>
    CBS%UK.AC.NSFNET-RELAY::us.va.reston.cnri::vcerf<br>
    <br>
    Sending to an X.400, one had to start with:<br>
    CBS%UK.AC.MHS-RELAY::<br>
    with the rest in quotes. Often the parser in the return made an
    absolute mess with X.400 sourced emails. <br>
    <br>
    Also, note that CBS also accepted bang! paths, but the difference
    between the % and @ delimiters in specifically routed emails for
    example, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vcerf%cnri.reston.va.us@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk">vcerf%cnri.reston.va.us@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk</a> didn't exist,
    thus it was :: all the way.<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    ps. the "transition" came when one ran TCP-IP over X.25.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/04/2018 21:03, Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">does anyone on the list recall the rough dates for
        the "Colored Book Protocol" ? Seems possible that these were at
        least contemporary with DNS and UCL was confronted with the need
        to translate between those and the ARPANET and/or Internet
        protocols of the time.
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Eric
          Gade <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eric.gade@gmail.com"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eric.gade@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Also worth noting that in a May 1984 draft of
              RFC 920 (and a few drafts prior to this going back to
              April), ISO-3166 was *not* specified as a set for
              potential TLDs, but .UK *was* given as an example. In
              fact, the inclusion of UK was used by many participants
              discussing the draft to argue in favor of both a
              country-based set of TLDs and a more generic set (note
              that these early drafts used .PUB and .COR instead of .COM
              and .ORG). It was sometime between May and July that the
              ISO list was proposed as the ccTLD set.<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:02
                    AM, John Klensin <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        href="mailto:jklensin@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">jklensin@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes,
                      Nigel, I should (for several reasons) have
                      remembered that<br>
                      comment in RFC 920, but my recollection is still
                      consistent with that<br>
                      document and your list.  That timeline list is,
                      IMO, extremely useful<br>
                      and far more accessible (and, IIR, comprehensive)
                      that the Park<br>
                      dissertation.<br>
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                             john<br>
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                          On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Nigel
                          Roberts <<a
                            href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nigel@channelisles.net</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          > Far be it from me to be seen to clarify
                          John's first hand knowledge of<br>
                          > RFC 1591, but it's worth pointing out
                          that the decision to use<br>
                          > ISO-3166-1 was not first documented in
                          RFC 1591, but already in RFC 920<br>
                          > (October 1984) as follows<br>
                          ><br>
                          >> Countries<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> The English two letter code (alpha-2)
                          identifying a country according the the ISO
                          Standard for "Codes for the Representation of
                          Names of Countries" [5].<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> As yet no country domains have been
                          established.  As they are established
                          information about the administrators and
                          agents will be made public, and will be listed
                          in subsequent editions of this memo."<br>
                          >><br>
                          ><br>
                          > Stephen Deerhake and I put together an
                          (as yet unfinished) hyperlinked<br>
                          > timeline of the DNS quite recently. Even
                          though there are some places<br>
                          > where the editing is still a little
                          rough, I think there is some useful<br>
                          > stuff which is not easily accessible
                          otherwise.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > You can find it at <a
                            href="http://timeline.as" rel="noreferrer"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://timeline.as</a><br>
                          ><br>
                          > It does need a little work, and we need
                          to move it from using TikiWiki<br>
                          > (which seemed like a good idea at the
                          time) to something faster, but<br>
                          > there are some interesting things
                          there...<br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          > On 04/15/2018 02:13 PM, John Klensin
                          wrote:<br>
                          >>> The only explanation I got orally
                          was that "GB stands for Great Britain, while
                          UK stands for United Kingdom of Great Britain
                          and the Northern Ireland".<br>
                          >>><br>
                          >>> That was enough for me. Don't
                          even remember who explained it, but it was
                          around the famous entry of .CS into the root
                          zone that created the "interesting" situation
                          with <a href="http://CS.BERKELEY.EDU"
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">CS.BERKELEY.EDU</a>
                          (and others) and massive weird extra hacking
                          in <a href="http://sendmail.cf"
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">sendmail.cf</a> due
                          to the Janet "reverse" order of labels in a
                          domain name.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> Let me try an even less complicated
                          one, based on what I was told when<br>
                          >> we were evaluating what became the
                          decision to use ISO 3166 alpha-2<br>
                          >> codes:   The country code system
                          started because of a request from the<br>
                          >> UK to be able to manage their own DNS
                          hierarchy rather than depending<br>
                          >> on a US-based organization to manage
                          the TLD.  The ccTLDs are US and<br>
                          >> UK were decided upon (and possibly
                          delegated) before other<br>
                          >> administrative decisions about ccTLDs
                          were made and "UK" was what they<br>
                          >> asked for.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> FWIW: (1) While RFC 1591 was not
                          published until 1994, it, for the<br>
                          >> most part, described thinking and
                          procedures that had had been in<br>
                          >> place for years rather than anything
                          of significant that was novel.<br>
                          >> (2) YJ Park, whom some of you may
                          know, tried to sort though all of<br>
                          >> these issues and history while
                          working on her dissertation.  The<br>
                          >> search for answers to questions of
                          this type might reasonably start<br>
                          >> with her and that dissertation.  That
                          should lead to some context and<br>
                          >> references even where she does not
                          have exact answers.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >>      john<br>
                          >><br>
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