<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yiv3335018389"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_53204"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_53203" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40357"><span id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40373">I believe you are thinking of a different packet radio. There was one by the radio community that used AX.25. Packet radio was an ARPA/DARPA effort that developed its own suite of protocols that were improved over time. These protocols were usually referred to as CAP followed by a version number (e.g. CAP 6). If my memory isn't faulty, CAP stood for Channel Access Protocol. It was a MANET. <br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_42671"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_42670"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_53212">The August demo did show off the use of the Internet transport. My memory of what I have been told in the past agrees with what Craig mentioned: The development of the DARPA packet radio network (PRnet) was a motivator for TCP. I would have to check with others to see about the timing of the distinct layering as I joined the packet radio project later. BTW, I am using the phrase Internet transport deliberately. I chatted with Don Nielson recently about the Guardian article and he used that phrase for the demo.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_54353"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_43170">barbara<br clear="none"><span id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40373"></span></div><div class="yiv3335018389qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40358"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3335018389yqt0777340899" id="yiv3335018389yqt01233"></div></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_54436" class=".yiv3335018389yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40350" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40349" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40348"> <font id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40347" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_41368" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "internet-history-request@postel.org" <internet-history-request@postel.org><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40356"><span id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40355" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> internet-history@postel.org <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:26 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 33<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv3335018389y_msg_container" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_40354"><br clear="none">Send internet-history mailing list submissions to<br clear="none"> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_55819" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br clear="none"> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_55322" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br clear="none">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">You can reach the person managing the list at<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org">internet-history-owner@postel.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br clear="none">than "Re: Contents of internet-history digest..."<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Today's Topics:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> 1. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30 (Craig Partridge)<br clear="none"> 2. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30 (Dave Crocker)<br clear="none"> 3. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none"> (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond)<br clear="none"> 4. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none"> (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Message: 1<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:50:48 -0400<br clear="none">From: Craig Partridge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none">To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: Craig Partridge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>,<br clear="none"> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>, Barbara<br clear="none"> Denny <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com">14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com</a>><br clear="none">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hi Olivier:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was the answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio networks (and some other<br clear="none">types of networks) to a network like ARPANET?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to solve the<br clear="none">interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Thanks!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Craig<br clear="none"><br clear="none">PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I believe) 1977.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 31/08/2016 05:13, Barbara Denny wrote:<br clear="none">>> For those interested, here is another article related to the Packet Radio/ARPANET August Internet demo. BTW, the SFgate article didn't make it clear that another packet radio located at Stanford was used to reach SRI. The November 1977 demo also added a satellite, SATNET, to make it a 3 network test.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> barbara<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> How the internet was invented <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv3335018389yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_41623" target="_blank" href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link</a>><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Thanks for this link. The mentioning of packet radio raised my interest and I was not aware of the Stanford experiments. Yet I am somehow puzzled as packet radio used AX.25. Thus whilst I understand the packet transmission of data was proven, is packet radio really that closely related to TCP/IP? <br clear="none">> Kindest regards,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Olivier<br clear="none">> _______<br clear="none">> internet-history mailing list<br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br clear="none">> Contact <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/attachment-0001.html</a><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">Name: smime.p7s<br clear="none">Type: application/pkcs7-signature<br clear="none">Size: 1856 bytes<br clear="none">Desc: not available<br clear="none">Url : <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/smime-0001.bin">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/smime-0001.bin</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">------------------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Message: 2<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:17:36 -0700<br clear="none">From: Dave Crocker <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net">dhc2@dcrocker.net</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none">To: Craig Partridge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br clear="none"> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>,<br clear="none"> Barbara Denny <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net">c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net</a>><br clear="none">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 8/31/2016 6:50 AM, Craig Partridge wrote:<br clear="none">> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in<br clear="none">> the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to<br clear="none">> solve the<br clear="none">> interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">This is a variant of the broader problem statement I was used to hearing:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Even by 1972 there already were a variety of independent networks <br clear="none">around the world. How to interconnect them, since it was unlikely that <br clear="none">they would all agree to switch over to someone else's network protocols.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> TCP was developed as an overlay that would run on all of them, <br clear="none">connecting them.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">d/<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Dave Crocker<br clear="none"> Brandenburg InternetWorking<br clear="none"> bbiw.net<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">------------------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Message: 3<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:22:50 +0200<br clear="none">From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none">To: Craig Partridge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>,<br clear="none"> Barbara Denny <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com">52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com</a>><br clear="none">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dear Craig,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">thanks, that's helpful. I've learnt something today. :-)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Now I am aware of the AMPR's work (nicely summarised on<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet </a>). It hints at TCP/IP & a non<br clear="none">routeable Class A being allocated to the AMPR network, with some people<br clear="none">using NAT to carry traffic across -- but was that really done on a<br clear="none">larger scale? I recall regulatory issues at the time, where Packet Radio<br clear="none">was seen as a broadcast medium & you needed your radio license to<br clear="none">operate a TNC. Thus whilst it was legally possible to send out an email<br clear="none">to the Internet from a Packet Radio node, as you held a license to do<br clear="none">so, it was deemed illegal to receive your emails from the Internet to<br clear="none">your TNC - as the sender did not hold a radio license. I am speaking of<br clear="none">1989 so 10+ years later than Bob Kahn's work.<br clear="none">Is the restriction still in place now?<br clear="none">Kindest regards,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Olivier<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 31/08/2016 15:50, Craig Partridge wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi Olivier:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was the<br clear="none">> answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio networks<br clear="none">> (and some other<br clear="none">> types of networks) to a network like ARPANET?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in<br clear="none">> the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to<br clear="none">> solve the<br clear="none">> interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Craig<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call<br clear="none">> IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I<br clear="none">> believe) 1977.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On 31/08/2016 05:13, Barbara Denny wrote:<br clear="none">>>> For those interested, here is another article related to the Packet<br clear="none">>>> Radio/ARPANET August Internet demo. BTW, the SFgate article didn't<br clear="none">>>> make it clear that another packet radio located at Stanford was used<br clear="none">>>> to reach SRI. The November 1977 demo also added a satellite,<br clear="none">>>> SATNET, to make it a 3 network test.<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> barbara<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> How the internet was invented<br clear="none">>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link</a>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Thanks for this link. The mentioning of packet radio raised my<br clear="none">>> interest and I was not aware of the Stanford experiments. Yet I am<br clear="none">>> somehow puzzled as packet radio used AX.25. Thus whilst I understand<br clear="none">>> the packet transmission of data was proven, is packet radio really<br clear="none">>> that closely related to TCP/IP?<br clear="none">>> Kindest regards,<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Olivier<br clear="none">>> _______<br clear="none">>> internet-history mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>><br clear="none">>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br clear="none">>> Contact <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond, PhD<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/2e7ee393/attachment-0001.html">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/2e7ee393/attachment-0001.html</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">------------------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Message: 4<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:26:17 +0100<br clear="none">From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br clear="none">Cc: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a><br clear="none">Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA" target="_blank" href="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA">9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA</a>><br clear="none">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ah,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I remember fondly when they used to have a routing for North America<br clear="none">which made their addresses look like something.NA and that then<br clear="none">bounced up and down UUCP over the telephone line a few times.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">greetings, el<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 2016-08-31 14:50, Craig Partridge wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi Olivier:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was<br clear="none">> the answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio<br clear="none">> networks (and some other types of networks) to a network like<br clear="none">> ARPANET?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was<br clear="none">> in the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint<br clear="none">> needed to solve the interconnection problem and that motivated the<br clear="none">> TCP paper.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Craig<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call<br clear="none">> IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I<br clear="none">> believe) 1977.<br clear="none">[...]<br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Dr. Eberhard W. 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