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n.e.carpenter@gmail.com" href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [ih] "40 years on, the Internet transmits every aspect of<br>    our lives" (SF Chronicle / SFGATE)<br>To: John Day <<a ymailto="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>><br>Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:5c9fe891-cc83-f9f6-914e-1605118e0e34@gmail.com" href="mailto:5c9fe891-cc83-f9f6-914e-1605118e0e34@gmail.com">5c9fe891-cc83-f9f6-914e-1605118e0e34@gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br><br>On 28/08/2016 22:50, John Day wrote:<br>> Yea, not to play one-upmanship, But in 1951 Illinois had a contract with the US Army to build a machine that was called ORDVAC, a vacuum tube machine.   The contract allowed them to build a copy for themselves which was called Illiac I.  (It and Illiac II, a transistor machine, used asynchronous logic.)<br>> <br>> I was really surprised to read (on the Illiac I wiki page) that between delivering ORDVAC and getting Illiac I built they had a leased line to ORDVAC for time on the machine at night.<br><br>Good going. Of course, the SIGINT people had transatlantic data links going by 1944, so<br>I guess the idea was in the wind in the military computing community.<br><br>    Brian<br><br>> <br>> I have no idea what that means!  Was it for transferring paper tape that an operator then took and entered into the machine or what! ;-) Or was it directly loaded to the machine?  No idea.  But everyone was trying to do it fairly soon.<br>> <br>> John<br>> <br>>   <br>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 00:15, Brian E Carpenter <<a ymailto="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com" href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> On 28/08/2016 09:18, Brian E Carpenter wrote:<br>>>> JANET only started in 1984*, but years before that UK physicists were telecommuting<br>>>> to CERN. <br>>>><br>>>> JANET's predecessor was called SRCnet aka SERCnet and was active from 1974.<br>>>> Its CERN link started before May 1975**.<br>>><br>>> ... in 1972, in fact:<br>>><br>>> "Computing by telephone<br>>> ...<br>>> The CERN link which can be used<br>>> by UK teams who are involved in<br>>> experiments at the PS and ISR is<br>>> obviously more costly being of the<br>>> order of ?14 000 per year.<br>>> ...<br>>> 'Dial a computer' seems to be<br>>> with us."<br>>><br>>> - CERN Courier, Vol. 12 No. 12, p421-422, Dec. 1972.<br>>><br>>> That was a remote login and RJE connection to the 360/195 at Rutherford Lab in<br>>> the UK. A SERCnet (pre-JANET) packet switch was installed at CERN in 1982,<br>>> according to the Rutherford Lab report:<br>>> <a href="http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/ca/literature/annual_reports/p018.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/ca/literature/annual_reports/p018.htm</a><br>>><br>>> I see that SRCnet apparently interconnected to ARPANET in 1975, too:<br>>> <a href="http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/cisd/literature/p002.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/cisd/literature/p002.htm</a><br>>><br>>> Enough Googling for one day.<br>>><br>>>   Brian Carpenter<br>>><br>>>><br>>>> I just discovered a very interesting PhD thesis: "From Diversity to Convergence:<br>>>> British Computer Networks and the Internet, 1970-1995", Dorian James Rutter,<br>>>> University of Warwick, 2005.<br>>>> wrap.warwick.ac.uk/1197/1/WRAP_THESIS_Rutter_2005.pdf<br>>>><br>>>> Lots of gems in there.<br>>>><br>>>>    Brian Carpenter<br>>>><br>>>> * <a href="http://jam.ja.net/marketing/janet30years/" target="_blank">http://jam.ja.net/marketing/janet30years/</a><br>>>><br>>>> ** I can't find an exact date but I did find a CERN archive document stating that<br>>>> a Philips cassette recorder went missing from "Rutherford Link Bldg. 513 ( S S )"<br>>>> in May 1975. That would be the modem room in the basement of the computer centre,<br>>>> which was part of my job responsibility ten years later.<br>>>><br>>>> Regards<br>>>>   Brian<br>>>><br>>>> On 28/08/2016 07:59, John Day wrote:<br>>>>> Does this qualify for internetworking?  I may have beat you by a few months.  ;-)<br>>>>><br>>>>> In late June of 1976, I moved to Houston so my wife could post-doc at Baylor College of Medicine. I was still working at Illinois with the ARPANET group there. (I even have a t-shirt that says University of Illinois at Houston.) ;-) I rented a DecWriter and dialed-in to Telenet, connected to Multics and from their connected to Illinois over the ARPANET.  ;-)  Did that daily for about 2 years, except when I would go back up to Urbana for a couple of days. I was definitely one of the earliest telecommuters but not the first. I think that was John Melvin.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Take care,<br>>>>> John Day<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 15:25, Paul Vixie <<a ymailto="mailto:paul@redbarn.org" href="mailto:paul@redbarn.org">paul@redbarn.org</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> richard bennett and i were quoted here (published today).<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472513460489_184712" href="http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-every-aspect-9187484.php" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-every-aspect-9187484.php</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> (sent in partial recompense for my recent off-topic postings here.)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> -- <br>>>>>> P Vixie<br>>>>>> _______<br>>>>>> internet-history mailing list<br>>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br>>>>>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>>>>>> Contact <a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______<br>>>>> internet-history mailing list<br>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br>>>>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>>>>> Contact <a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br>>>>><br>>><br>> <br>> <br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>internet-history mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>Contact <a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br><br><br>End of internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>*************************************************<br><br><br></div> </div> </div>  </div></div></body></html>