<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:13px">For those wanting to learn more about packet radio, IEEE produced a Special Issue on Packet Radio Networks in 1987. Efforts/demos continued after this date but this is the most available resource I can think of off the top of my head.<br><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_114858"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_114859" class="qtdSeparateBR"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115476" dir="ltr">barbara</div><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115227" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115226" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115225" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115224" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115354" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_117394" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "internet-history-request@postel.org" <internet-history-request@postel.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> internet-history@postel.org <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115475"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115474" style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:00 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 35<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_115477" class="y_msg_container"><br>Send internet-history mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_117509" href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472616023279_119347" ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org">internet-history-owner@postel.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of internet-history digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 33 (Nigel Roberts)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:25:17 +0100<br>From: Nigel Roberts <<a ymailto="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net">nigel@channelisles.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 33<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:0704d617-dd98-908c-44f8-71bec65c4a49@channelisles.net" href="mailto:0704d617-dd98-908c-44f8-71bec65c4a49@channelisles.net">0704d617-dd98-908c-44f8-71bec65c4a49@channelisles.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br><br>AX.25 was based on X.25 and was used at slow (300-1200baud) speeds over <br>HF radio.<br><br><br><br>On 31/08/16 17:17, Barbara Denny wrote:<br>> I believe you are thinking of a different packet radio. There was one<br>> by the radio community that used AX.25. Packet radio was an ARPA/DARPA<br>> effort that developed its own suite of protocols that were improved over<br>> time. These protocols were usually referred to as CAP followed by a<br>> version number (e.g. CAP 6). If my memory isn't faulty, CAP stood for<br>> Channel Access Protocol. It was a MANET.<br>><br>> The August demo did show off the use of the Internet transport. My<br>> memory of what I have been told in the past agrees with what Craig<br>> mentioned: The development of the DARPA packet radio network (PRnet) was<br>> a motivator for TCP. I would have to check with others to see about<br>> the timing of the distinct layering as I joined the packet radio project<br>> later. BTW, I am using the phrase Internet transport deliberately. I<br>> chatted with Don Nielson recently about the Guardian article and he used<br>> that phrase for the demo.<br>><br>> barbara<br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> *From:* "<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a>"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a>><br>> *To:* <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><br>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:26 AM<br>> *Subject:* internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 33<br>><br>> Send internet-history mailing list submissions to<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-request@postel.org">internet-history-request@postel.org</a>><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org">internet-history-owner@postel.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history-owner@postel.org">internet-history-owner@postel.org</a>><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of internet-history digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30 (Craig Partridge)<br>> 2. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30 (Dave Crocker)<br>> 3. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond)<br>> 4. Re: internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:50:48 -0400<br>> From: Craig Partridge <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>><br>> Cc: Craig Partridge <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>>,<br>> "<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>>,<br>> Barbara<br>> Denny <<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com">14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com">14316BEF-D99C-4F91-8182-6FC0B08DF31A@aland.bbn.com</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br>><br>> Hi Olivier:<br>><br>> What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was the<br>> answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio networks<br>> (and some other<br>> types of networks) to a network like ARPANET?<br>><br>> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in<br>> the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to<br>> solve the<br>> interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br>><br>> Thanks!<br>><br>> Craig<br>><br>> PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call<br>> IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I<br>> believe) 1977.<br>><br>><br>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 31/08/2016 05:13, Barbara Denny wrote:<br>>>> For those interested, here is another article related to the Packet<br>> Radio/ARPANET August Internet demo. BTW, the SFgate article didn't make<br>> it clear that another packet radio located at Stanford was used to reach<br>> SRI. The November 1977 demo also added a satellite, SATNET, to make it<br>> a 3 network test.<br>>>><br>>>> barbara<br>>>><br>>>> How the internet was invented<br>> <<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link</a>><br>>><br>>> Thanks for this link. The mentioning of packet radio raised my<br>> interest and I was not aware of the Stanford experiments. Yet I am<br>> somehow puzzled as packet radio used AX.25. Thus whilst I understand the<br>> packet transmission of data was proven, is packet radio really that<br>> closely related to TCP/IP?<br>>> Kindest regards,<br>>><br>>> Olivier<br>>> _______<br>>> internet-history mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>><br>>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>>> Contact <a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a>> for<br>> assistance.<br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL:<br>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/attachment-0001.html</a><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> Name: smime.p7s<br>> Type: application/pkcs7-signature<br>> Size: 1856 bytes<br>> Desc: not available<br>> Url :<br>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/smime-0001.bin" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/d75e7f11/smime-0001.bin</a><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:17:36 -0700<br>> From: Dave Crocker <<a ymailto="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net" href="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net">dhc2@dcrocker.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net" href="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net">dhc2@dcrocker.net</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> To: Craig Partridge <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>><br>> Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>>,<br>> Barbara Denny <<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net" href="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net">c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net" href="mailto:c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net">c38b1b19-eb0c-0ce4-13a4-ea9ca129dfe0@dcrocker.net</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br>><br>> On 8/31/2016 6:50 AM, Craig Partridge wrote:<br>>> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in<br>>> the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to<br>>> solve the<br>>> interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br>><br>><br>> This is a variant of the broader problem statement I was used to hearing:<br>><br>> Even by 1972 there already were a variety of independent networks<br>> around the world. How to interconnect them, since it was unlikely that<br>> they would all agree to switch over to someone else's network protocols.<br>><br>> TCP was developed as an overlay that would run on all of them,<br>> connecting them.<br>><br>> d/<br>><br>> --<br>><br>> Dave Crocker<br>> Brandenburg InternetWorking<br>> bbiw.net<br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:22:50 +0200<br>> From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> To: Craig Partridge <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>><br>> Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>>,<br>> Barbara Denny <<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com" href="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com">52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com" href="mailto:52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com">52bcdc97-12fb-8f01-64df-e99cb55024a4@gih.com</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br>><br>> Dear Craig,<br>><br>> thanks, that's helpful. I've learnt something today. :-)<br>><br>> Now I am aware of the AMPR's work (nicely summarised on<br>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet</a><br>> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet</a>>). It hints at TCP/IP & a non<br>> routeable Class A being allocated to the AMPR network, with some people<br>> using NAT to carry traffic across -- but was that really done on a<br>> larger scale? I recall regulatory issues at the time, where Packet Radio<br>> was seen as a broadcast medium & you needed your radio license to<br>> operate a TNC. Thus whilst it was legally possible to send out an email<br>> to the Internet from a Packet Radio node, as you held a license to do<br>> so, it was deemed illegal to receive your emails from the Internet to<br>> your TNC - as the sender did not hold a radio license. I am speaking of<br>> 1989 so 10+ years later than Bob Kahn's work.<br>> Is the restriction still in place now?<br>> Kindest regards,<br>><br>> Olivier<br>><br>> On 31/08/2016 15:50, Craig Partridge wrote:<br>>> Hi Olivier:<br>>><br>>> What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was the<br>>> answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio networks<br>>> (and some other<br>>> types of networks) to a network like ARPANET?<br>>><br>>> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was in<br>>> the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint needed to<br>>> solve the<br>>> interconnection problem and that motivated the TCP paper.<br>>><br>>> Thanks!<br>>><br>>> Craig<br>>><br>>> PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call<br>>> IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I<br>>> believe) 1977.<br>>><br>>><br>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>>>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 31/08/2016 05:13, Barbara Denny wrote:<br>>>>> For those interested, here is another article related to the Packet<br>>>>> Radio/ARPANET August Internet demo. BTW, the SFgate article didn't<br>>>>> make it clear that another packet radio located at Stanford was used<br>>>>> to reach SRI. The November 1977 demo also added a satellite,<br>>>>> SATNET, to make it a 3 network test.<br>>>>><br>>>>> barbara<br>>>>><br>>>>> How the internet was invented<br>>>>><br>> <<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-invented-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=share_btn_link</a>><br>>>><br>>>> Thanks for this link. The mentioning of packet radio raised my<br>>>> interest and I was not aware of the Stanford experiments. Yet I am<br>>>> somehow puzzled as packet radio used AX.25. Thus whilst I understand<br>>>> the packet transmission of data was proven, is packet radio really<br>>>> that closely related to TCP/IP?<br>>>> Kindest regards,<br>>>><br>>>> Olivier<br>>>> _______<br>>>> internet-history mailing list<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>><br>>>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>>>> Contact <a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org">list-owner@postel.org</a>> for<br>> assistance.<br>>><br>><br>> --<br>> Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond, PhD<br>> <a href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html" target="_blank">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL:<br>> <a href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/2e7ee393/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20160831/2e7ee393/attachment-0001.html</a><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:26:17 +0100<br>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 105, Issue 30<br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com" href="mailto:craig@aland.bbn.com">craig@aland.bbn.com</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ocl@gih.com" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>>,<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com" href="mailto:b_a_denny@yahoo.com">b_a_denny@yahoo.com</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.NA" href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>> Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA" href="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA">9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA</a><br>> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA" href="mailto:9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA">9bbb4cfc-b714-e5a7-4d94-aa1f1369e654@lisse.NA</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br>><br>> Ah,<br>><br>> I remember fondly when they used to have a routing for North America<br>> which made their addresses look like something.NA and that then<br>> bounced up and down UUCP over the telephone line a few times.<br>><br>> greetings, el<br>><br>> On 2016-08-31 14:50, Craig Partridge wrote:<br>>> Hi Olivier:<br>>><br>>> What the article hints at, but doesn?t quite say, is that TCP was<br>>> the answer to a question, namely how to do we link packet radio<br>>> networks (and some other types of networks) to a network like<br>>> ARPANET?<br>>><br>>> As I recall the story (I arrived on the scene later), Bob Kahn was<br>>> in the process of funding Packet Radio Networks and he and Vint<br>>> needed to solve the interconnection problem and that motivated the<br>>> TCP paper.<br>>><br>>> Thanks!<br>>><br>>> Craig<br>>><br>>> PS: Footnote ? originally TCP contained both TCP and what we now call<br>>> IP. IP was made a standalone protocol after a hallway debate in (I<br>>> believe) 1977.<br>> [...]<br>> --<br>> Dr. Eberhard W. 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