<div dir="ltr">As I recall, one of MAP's favorite uses of netmail was to discuss scotch whisky.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bill Ricker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Oops, accidentally replied off-list. But that gives me opportunity to expand my remarks ...<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Bill Ricker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Ted Faber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:faber@isi.edu" target="_blank">faber@isi.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow:hidden">This is completely anecdotal, but Mike Padlipsky never used the term<br>
"e-mail" without adding "or netmail as we called it when we were<br>
inventing it." This was years after the fact, but he definitely<br>
preferred the earlier term.</div></blockquote></div><br></span></span><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Absolutely he did.<br><br>Thinking back to how i heard tales from MAP, I've inferred 'netmail' was like 'neted' in that it was intended to convey the interoperable multiplatform version of a tool of which you likely already had an idiosyncratic vendor-specific local-only version that guest users from other {institutions|nodes} wouldn't be expected to learn. 'Netmail' would initially have referred both to the protocol and the standard minimalist user client app. The CLI user clients 'netmail' and 'neted' faded, but RFC-compliant 'netmail' formats and protocols won out.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">In fact, the success of 'neted' (RFC 569) was inspiration for 'netmail'-the-client. <br><br> In RFC 666 (the real one), "Specification of the Unified User-Level Protocol", November 1974, MAP suggests the beginnings of netmail-the-common-client as part of a common user CLI for ARPAnet nodes. <br> <a href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc666" target="_blank">https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc666</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline"> In the rather long discussion of the proposed common 'mail' client, it is always 'mail'. It is not yet named 'netmail' (obviously coined later to avoid conflicting with existing local, proprietary 'mail' commands). <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline"></div> <br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Mike's specific comments on murky history of 'e-mail' are preserved as "And They Argued All Night..." <br>at <a href="http://www.multicians.org/allnight.html" target="_blank">http://www.multicians.org/allnight.html</a> . (Wherein he suggests SMTP is the mail that made it take off so John should get any specific credit for getting it right.)<br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">FYI the OED query ("appeal") was posted in October 2012 and discussed on this list in 2013. <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://public.oed.com/appeals/email/" target="_blank">http://public.oed.com/appeals/email/</a><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline">(Not criticizing. It was re-posted it elsewhere as new (including on Twitter, i think it was OED
official post) so no surprise it showed up here again. Just noting the prior
thread's existence if anyone wanted to check back.</div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;display:inline"><a href="http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/2013-June/002891.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/2013-June/002891.html</a> )</div></div></div>
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