<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I would really have to disagree with this. And this is mistake that the press makes a lot. Confusing the Internet with the uses of the Internet.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My favorite example was a very short New York Times article merely reporting HP 3rd quarter earnings that said they weren’t performing as well as Google, <a href="http://Salesforce.com" class="">Salesforce.com</a>, and another, I think it was Facebook. But none of these companies are in the same market space as HP. It was a ludicrous comparison.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Internet is not the use of the Internet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Right now, I would be concerned about the reputation of the Internet. Most of what people are hearing about it is identity theft, the loss of privacy, cyber-crime, cyber-warefare, threats to their well-being, if not caused, enabled by the Internet. We are lucky to live in a period with a relatively docile population that seems to take the attitude that it is hopeless to try to do anything about it. 50 - 100 years ago, it could be looked on as the instigator of the end of a rather idyllic period, that is if the Ministry of Truth even allows it to be known what a time before the Internet was like.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 12, 2015, at 23:48, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">well, Noel, the piston engine was a pretty important precursor to the <br class="">engines which powered the space landing too. Without it the space landing <br class="">would have never happened. I agree Arpanet carries a similar relationship to <br class="">the Internet.<br class=""><br class="">But to get to any understanding of what the Internet is as known today, you <br class="">need to add to the Arpanet developments such as WWW(which you mention), the <br class="">personal computer, broadband, Windows style OS, mobile phones, tablets, <br class="">ecommerce engines, social networking, substantial microprocessor <br class="">developments, and so many developments and interfaces that anyone looking at <br class="">what was happening in 1969 would not see it as the same thing.<br class=""><br class="">Ian Peter<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message----- <br class="">From: Noel Chiappa<br class="">Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:30 PM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" class="">internet-history@postel.org</a><br class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" class="">jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [ih] ARPANET and Apollo 11<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">From: "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" class="">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">The launch of Arpanet has about the same relationship to the Internet<br class="">as the invention of the piston engine has to the Apollo moon landing.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I don't agree. First, the ARPANET was a key building block of the early<br class="">Internet (it was _the_ long-haul network tying together work at all the<br class="">various sites working on the early Internet, such as SRI, ISI, MIT, BBN,<br class="">etc). Next, the structure which evolved for protocol design on the ARPANET <br class="">was<br class="">taken over, more or less as is (although slowly modified over time, of<br class="">course), by the early Internet work;there's a reason that there's one RFC<br class="">series that slowly segues from NCP-based protocols to TCP/IP-based<br class="">protocols. Finally - and perhaps the most telling of the close connection<br class="">between the two - all the early applications (TELNET, FTP, email, etc) were<br class="">straight ports of the ARPANET versions. It wasn't until we got to the Web <br class="">that<br class="">we saw something sui generis.<br class=""><br class="">Noel <br class=""><br class="">_______<br class="">internet-history mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" class="">internet-history@postel.org</a><br class="">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history<br class="">Contact list-owner@postel.org for assistance.<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>