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<div>At 4:58 PM -0400 7/30/13, John Day wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>At 4:54 PM -0400 7/30/13, Vint Cerf
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite" cite>telenet led he development of x.25 (Larry
Roberts and Barry Wessler) along with the British Post Office, the
French Reseau Communication par Paquet from CNET (Remi Despres) and
Dave(?) Horton of DATAPAC in Canada.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Right, Dave Horton. I was trying to
remember that name.</blockquote>
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<div>I should explain. DATAPAC's coming out was at ICCC76 in
Toronto. We were whisked across the street from the Royal York Hotel
(it may have been a couple of blocks) for fancy whiz-bang film, all
out demo of DATAPAC. But at the conference, I remember Horton
giving a talk on Datapac and someone asking him what he would think of
people marketing PADs (X.25 Terminal Concentrators). (It is
important to understand that in CCITT think the PAD had been defined
to be part of the network rather than as a limited function host and
not "part of the network." It was clear that they were
using the phone company beads-on-a-string model to define markets.)
Horton in a moment of candor replied emphatically, "Not Very
Much!"</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>John</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:47 AM, John
Day <<a
href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Yea, the PTTs in Europe were pretty clueless in general.
There is very little way that they could have known much about
the ARPANET experience, nor would they have listened if they could.
Remember the reaction ATT had to the ARPANET at ICCC '72.
They thought it was a joke. Not an uncommon reaction to
those in an old paradigm not seeing the elements of a new one in the
first stages of formation.<br>
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I have heard rumors that the Telenet guys had considerable input into
X.25 but I don't know if that was true. Remi Despres wrote a
fairly long article on it in IEEE Annals of Computing
History.</blockquote>
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At 10:07 AM -0400 7/30/13, Bernie Cosell wrote:<br>
<blockquote>On 30 Jul 2013 at 9:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:<br>
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IEEE Spectrum just published online, titled "OSI: The
Internet That<br>
Wasn't." OSI, of course, is the acronym for Open
Systems<br>
Interconnection.<br>
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Interesting stuff. I had virtually no interaction with the<br>
"International" stuff except for one thing: at some point [I
can't<br>
remember when, but I suspect Dave can] they came out with a draft<br>
proposal for X.25 level 3. Since that would affect the TIP and I
was TIP<br>
czar at the time, Dave [I think] asked me to critique the
proposal.<br>
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What it was, was HDLC kludged up to sort-of be full-duplex, but in a
way<br>
that could never work. They seemed to have learned none of the
lessons<br>
we [ARPAnet folk] had with redoing the TELNET protocol. I wrote
a pretty<br>
scathing critique that I *think* got published [was it IEEE Comm?].
I<br>
believe that not long after that they withdrew the
proposal...:o) It<br>
was kind of fun, but I never did get involved with it again [I was<br>
already off of the relevant projects before we [BBN] put in X.25
support<br>
in our systems].<br>
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/Bernie\<br>
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