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<div>At 9:22 -0500 2012/12/12, Vint Cerf wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>john, what would you call TELNET if not
something facilitating remote login?</blockquote>
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<div>The Telnet spec quite specifically says it is a terminal device
driver protocol.</div>
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<div>One of the true brilliances of Telnet is that it is NOT a remote
login protocol but a byte-oriented IPC mechanism that could be used
for other applications that needed a byte-oriented IPC
mechanism. Remember we called this class of protocols:
Virtual Terminal Protocols, not remote login protocols.</div>
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<div>Remote log in protocols by their nature are asymmetric and
unsuitable for anything else. To call Telnet a remote login
protocol is to grossly miss the point, not only about Telnet, but what
those guys thought they were doing.</div>
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<div>The symmetric negotiation that Bernie came up with was another
brilliance, and the go-ahead was a third. </div>
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<div>Those early ARPANET guys were pretty smart! It was a great
honor and a great piece of luck to be a grad student then and getting
the chance to learn from them!</div>
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<div>Take care,</div>
<div>John</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>v</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, John Day
<<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Given that it was very late 1969 when the first IMPs went
in, yes. The first file transfer would have been in 1970. The
second question would be when was the first file transfer using
FTP.<br>
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There was no "initial focus" on remote login. There
WAS an initial focus on just getting bytes to move! ;-)<br>
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I should point out that the ARPANET never did do a remote login
protocol. This is a fiction invented by sloppy textbook authors
who don't check the original sources and frankly, don't seem to be
that bright.<font color="#888888"><br>
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John</font></blockquote>
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At 21:47 -0800 2012/12/11, Richard Bennett wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Dear Historians,<br>
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I'm curious about when the first file transfer was done successfully
on ARPANET. Given that the initial focus was remote login, I'm
guessing that rudimentary file transfers wouldn't have been done until
sometime in 1970. Does anyone remember?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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RB<br>
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Richard Bennett</blockquote>
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