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<strike>Money</strike> Politics was the real subject of every layer.<br>
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On 3/8/2010 8:40 PM, Kevin Dunlap wrote:
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<div>On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:</div>
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<div>Revised OSI Model: Layer 0 = Authentication; Layer 8 = Money.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">And now there's this Semantic Web thing
and the Bob Kahn Digital Object Identifier systems that aim to expose
structure in web sites so that the content can be more easily indexed,
searched, and grabbed. In the end, it's all about granularity and
aggregating local indexes.<br>
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X.500?<br>
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Veronica stuff an attempt to provide the<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The Web publishes documents and has
evolved into something that is probably best viewed as allowing
interaction with documents. (That might be a Procrustean view, given
the lofty views of web 2.0, etc., but I'm trying to stay with basics.)<br>
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web. The web is either the documents or the full set of things that
touch the documents. But a search engine is not 'the' web.<br>
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Lousy usability characteristics. Gopher published documents.
Reasonable usability, but limited document style. They were the early
sequence that led to the actual Web.<br>
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gopher. Early search engines. These are services that are layered on
top of the publication service and the publication service is passive,
in that there was no organized registration of the documents,
particularly, with respect to the indexing (more recent active web page
support of search engines not withstanding.)<br>
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scheme, originally designed to lookup users, especially for email. It
started with the premise that, done in scale, a human name is not
unique so that other attributes would be needed to distinguish the
target user. Since if flowed from X.400, the concept of a simple,
global, unique email address was already a lost cause. (Your global
address was relative to your provider, which led to some interesting
business cards, for folks who had multiple providers.)<br>
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function description was strikingly similar to what we built for MCI
Mail, so that<br>
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participation in the X.500 discussions was shortly after we had MCI
Mail running, so I was able to confirm the utility of this basic model,
though not the later technical design for achieving it in scale. MCI
Mail was a closed system.)<br>
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used was for actively registered email users, not passively available
(rather than listed) documents. This was meant to be more like a White
Pages than a more general searching service, even as constrained as a
Yellow Pages. (But yes, goals expanded.)<br>
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differed from the goals of the DNS by being finer-grained, targeting
personal addresses, rather than host addresses.<br>
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publishing, personnel registration, name lookup and name (or, more
generally, attribute) searching each warrant distinction from the other.<br>
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Richard Bennett<br>
Research Fellow<br>
Information Technology and Innovation Foundation<br>
Washington, DC<br>
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