<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You forgot layer 9 = Political<div><a href="http://www.isc.org/store/logoware-clothing/isc-9-layer-osi-model-cotton-t-shirt">http://www.isc.org/store/logoware-clothing/isc-9-layer-osi-model-cotton-t-shirt</a></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Revised OSI Model: Layer 0 = Authentication; Layer 8 = Money.<br><br>On 3/8/2010 7:18 PM, John Day wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Yes but much this pays no attention to issues of security, access control or scope.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">At 17:51 -0800 2010/03/08, Richard Bennett wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">And now there's this Semantic Web thing and the Bob Kahn Digital Object Identifier systems that aim to expose structure in web sites so that the content can be more easily indexed, searched, and grabbed. In the end, it's all about granularity and aggregating local indexes.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 3/8/2010 5:26 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Could you say the same thing about X.500?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nope -- early attempt to do the web.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Wasn't all that Archie and Veronica stuff an attempt to provide the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Internet with a directory service?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This exchange is confusing things a bit.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The Web publishes documents and has evolved into something that is probably best viewed as allowing interaction with documents. (That might be a Procrustean view, given the lofty views of web 2.0, etc., but I'm trying to stay with basics.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Google, et all, scan the web and index it. A search engine is not 'the web', although it is a tool of the web. The web is either the documents or the full set of things that touch the documents. But a search engine is not 'the' web.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Anonymous FTP published documents. Lousy usability characteristics. Gopher published documents. Reasonable usability, but limited document style. They were the early sequence that led to the actual Web.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Archie indexed ftp. Veronica indexed gopher. Early search engines. These are services that are layered on top of the publication service and the publication service is passive, in that there was no organized registration of the documents, particularly, with respect to the indexing (more recent active web page support of search engines not withstanding.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">X.500 was a user name registration scheme, originally designed to lookup users, especially for email. It started with the premise that, done in scale, a human name is not unique so that other attributes would be needed to distinguish the target user. Since if flowed from X.400, the concept of a simple, global, unique email address was already a lost cause. (Your global address was relative to your provider, which led to some interesting business cards, for folks who had multiple providers.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In its earliest discussions, the function description was strikingly similar to what we built for MCI Mail, so that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> crocker, brandenburg, california<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">might produce my address. (My first participation in the X.500 discussions was shortly after we had MCI Mail running, so I was able to confirm the utility of this basic model, though not the later technical design for achieving it in scale. MCI Mail was a closed system.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But note that the data base that X.500 used was for actively registered email users, not passively available (rather than listed) documents. This was meant to be more like a White Pages than a more general searching service, even as constrained as a Yellow Pages. (But yes, goals expanded.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Besides having a search function, X.500 differed from the goals of the DNS by being finer-grained, targeting personal addresses, rather than host addresses.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The differences between document publishing, personnel registration, name lookup and name (or, more generally, attribute) searching each warrant distinction from the other.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">d/<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Richard Bennett<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Research Fellow<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Information Technology and Innovation Foundation<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Washington, DC<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>-- <br>Richard Bennett<br>Research Fellow<br>Information Technology and Innovation Foundation<br>Washington, DC<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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