<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Chris, et al,<div><br></div><div>I am not sure what you are looking for - the content of the lists or the names of the people on the lists? I don't know the names as they were bundled under a blanket distribution name; however, the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA does have some of the old contents of the mailing lists. These are very incomplete, but would give you a flavor of what was discussed on the lists. I know we have some Human-Nets messages, but no Sci-Fi that I can recall (at least not in the stuff I contributed). I also remember a list of lists that tells what mailing lists were prevalent at the time.</div><div><br></div><div>Paula Jabloner (<a href="mailto:jabloner@computerhistory.org">jabloner@computerhistory.org</a>) is the Head Archivist and would be the person to contact for permission to look at what we have. Chris, I don't know where you are located. If you are in Silicon Valley, I would be glad to show you what we have (with Paula's permission, of course, as these now belong to the museum.)</div><div><br></div><div>Also, contact Peter Neumann at SRI as he is a long time member of CSL and might know if anyone there kept a copy of the mailing list and its contents. (probably Neumann or <a href="mailto:Pneumann@sri.com">Pneumann@sri.com</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>Another contact might be Richard Zellich. He used to be with the Army in the St. Louis area. I have lost touch with him; however, his last name is unusual so you might be able to find it online. Rich used to keep up the list-of-lists and often provided this to the NIC way back when.</div><div><br></div><div>I am sending this to the Internet-history group also, to urge those of you that might have copies of the contents of the old distribution lists, to let us know at the museum where they live online, or consider donating them, if in hardcopy.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jake Feinler<br><div><div>On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Jeff Rulifson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Jake: Can you help Vint help Chris find any ARPANET email list from the period between 1970 and 1975? Thanks, Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Vint Cerf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="word-wrap:break-word">les, jeff<div><br></div><div>who might know more about these early mailing lists? maybe jake feinler?? someone at Stanford?<br> <div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font:12.0px Helvetica;color:#000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font:12.0px Helvetica">"Christopher S. Leslie" <<a href="mailto:cleslie@poly.edu" target="_blank">cleslie@poly.edu</a>></font></div> <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font:12.0px Helvetica;color:#000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font:12.0px Helvetica">July 6, 2009 4:53:04 AM EDT</font></div> <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font:12.0px Helvetica;color:#000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font:12.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank">internet-his</a><a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a><a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank">tory@postel.org</a></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div> <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font:12.0px Helvetica;color:#000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font:12.0px Helvetica"><b>[ih] arpanet mailing lists</b></font></div> <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;min-height:14px"><br></div> </div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Internet History List: <div><br></div><div>Greetings. I am trying to learn more about the original mailing lists on ARPANET, particularly sf-lovers (sfl@sri-csl) and human-nets, for a book on science fiction. Although I see some information about these lists when they were forwarded to Usenet, there earlier lists on ARPANET that predate Usenet by a few years (perhaps as early as 1975). </div> <div><br></div><div>I do not know what to expect from this query, but I would appreciate any and all leads. I am hopeful that somewhere in the world there is a complete archive, but that of course would be too good to be true. If anyone have memories of this list, or can put me into contact with someone who does, please let me know. I would also appreciate anyone who can provide me with citations to research about this topic, as my search has turned up very little. </div> <div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Chris Leslie</div><br><br><div> <span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><div><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:11px">Christopher S. 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