<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">Hi Pedro, all,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">I agree that concrete proposals are useful, particularly once we have identified the problem we are trying to solve.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">But I think there is a prior and more fundamental question that we should not skip: </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">what exactly are we trying to fix, and why does changing the Chapter Charter Agreement provide the appropriate solution?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">So far, I have not seen a clear assessment showing which specific problems are caused by the current Agreement, rather than by implementation, evaluation criteria, available resources, capacity, or the support provided to Chapters.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">Without that diagnosis, we risk reversing the process: first designing new contractual requirements and then looking for the problems that might justify them.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">Following the same spirit of making concrete proposals, perhaps there is a very simple one we could make at this stage: </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">ask the community directly whether Chapters agree that modifying the Chapter Charter Agreement is the appropriate way to achieve the objectives that have been presented.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">I have seen several contributions raising concerns about specific proposed changes, but I have not yet seen comparable community contributions explaining why those changes are necessary or how they would solve identified problems. If such contributions have been made and I have missed them, I sincerely apologize and would appreciate being pointed to them.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">My own position, based on what we have seen so far, is that </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">a reform of the Chapter Charter Agreement has not been shown to be necessary</span><span style="font-kerning: none;">. On the contrary, several of the proposed changes appear likely to introduce additional legal, governance and administrative complications for Chapters.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">So let me make a concrete alternative proposal:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">Rather than proceeding from the assumption that the Agreement needs to be changed, I propose that the next ChAC Steering Committee include as a specific objective the analysis of mechanisms to achieve the goals identified through the Chapter DNA process without modifying the Chapter Charter Agreement.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">That analysis could distinguish which objectives require contractual provisions and which can be better achieved through evaluation criteria, capacity building, incentives, support tools, guidance, or improvements in the implementation of the existing framework.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">If, after that analysis, there are specific problems for which the existing Agreement is demonstrably an obstacle and a contractual amendment is necessary, then we would have a clear basis for discussing those particular changes.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">This would not mean abandoning the objectives behind Chapter DNA. It would mean </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">starting with the objectives and the problems, and then choosing the appropriate instruments</span><span style="font-kerning: none;">, rather than starting with contractual reform as the presumed solution.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">So perhaps the community should first answer two simple questions:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">What demonstrated problem are we trying to solve?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT; font-weight: bold; font-kerning: none;">Do Chapters agree that changing the Chapter Charter Agreement is necessary and proportionate to solve it?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">Until we have clear answers, I believe we should be careful not to create new locks and then spend our time designing the keys.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 20px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-kerning: none;">Carlos Vera</span><span style="font-size: 12px; font-kerning: none;"><br>
</span><span style="font-kerning: none;">Internet Society Ecuador Chapter</span></p><div><span style="font-kerning: none;"><br></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">El oct 1, 2026, a la(s) 17:04, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com> escribió:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I am just now checking this thread, and since I bizarrely kind of like this very boring subject of reviewing governance documents, I thought dropping a few comments could, hopefully, be helpful!<ul><li>Concrete suggestions, like the ones in many comments here, are really useful for those reviewing the text. That is probably the best way to have concerns heard, not only by pointing out the issue, but also by proposing a solution or an alternative. It also helps confirm the problem is real by grounding it in concrete terms. It is really nice to see this effort from the chapters; it is rare to see a community that tries to be that efficient with their contributions, as we can see here!</li><li>ISOC usually has a good standard for documenting discussions and meetings, even when we couldn't be part of them. Although reading these materials can be tiring for that very reason, it’s useful when we are thinking about not transferring our very natural need to save time to others. Notes help a lot to avoid reviving debates that have already taken place, and to answer the most common questions that tend to arise - which is something that helps everyone involved go forward more expeditiously (which is also a very good reason to publish the contributions that chapters made to the review proposal).</li><li><span style="background-color:transparent">This last one is more of a personal note: those discussions are most productive when they receive personal/collective opinions, and the format in which those opinions are presented does not really matter. So, IMHO, it is best to avoid fully AI-generated comments. Most people use AI to review this kind of work nowadays, looking for flaws or objective possibilities of improvement, so they will likely do the same (or already have) in one phase of the review, and the suggestions an AI tool makes will be part of the process at some point. Those tools are very useful for the people organizing the inputs and adding them to the governance text, but they don't really add much to the improvement discussion (meaning the input from the community) itself.</span></li></ul><br>Very interesting comments here overall, and, again, nice to see that much engagement from our community (:<br><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://www.isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC Brazil</a> Vice-President.</span><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">NCUC</a> EC (ICANN). IODA Executive Secretary.</font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><br></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply <span aria-invalid="grammar" class="Lm ng" style="border-style:none;background:none">informing it</span>.</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 1 de out. de 2026 às 16:48, Carlos Vera via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Thank you. It was the ? in the passcode.. Also the other links work fine for Q1 and Q2.. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Carlos Vera</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue, 1 oct 2026 a las 12:18, Flávio Rech Wagner (<<a href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br" target="_blank">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    <p>Hi Carlos</p>
    <p>The link and password are working for me. Could you please check
      again? If you still have problems, please contact me directly.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Flávio</p>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I
          was trying to access this <br>
          <br>
          <div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Reference:
            Q3 Full ChAC Call <span><span>Recording</span></span>: </div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><span style="color:rgb(13,107,222)"><font color="#96607d"><a href="https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc" target="_blank">https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc</a></font> </span>(Passcode:
              ?=3YF98F)</span></div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><br>
            </span></div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)">It
              seems I making some mistake in the passcode.. it says is
              wrong... <br>
              <br>
              Is there a list of call recording to navigate? If so can
              you please share here?<br>
              <br>
              I'm also interested in the Q2 call and others related to
              the ChAC Charter (not only the Chapter Charter)<br>
              <br>
              Thank you for your help<br>
              <br>
              Carlos Vera</span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 23 sept 2026 a las
          13:00, Flávio Rech Wagner (<<a href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br" target="_blank">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>>)
          escribió:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>
            <p>Hi Carlos</p>
            <div>Regarding the rationale for updating the Chapter
              Charter Agreement, please refer to the <a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/j3u43egd9wx7c0wd9cvilt85zltvo65a" target="_blank">agenda</a> and
              the recording (see link and password below) of yesterday’s
              Full ChAC Call.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>At the bottom ("Notes" section) of the agenda there is
              a note as a reminder of the rationale and context behind
              the revision of the Chapter Charter Agreement, referring
              to the ChAC Action Plan for 2026 (shared with the ChAC
              during the Q1 Full ChAC Call) and to the Chapter DNA
              document (presented during the Q2 Full ChAC Call), with
              appropriate links.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>The current consultation on a new version of the
              Chapter Charter Agreement is thus a subsequent step in
              this process and follows those two previous steps, that
              were presented and discussed with all ChAC representatives
              during the Q1 and Q2 Full ChAC Calls.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Best,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Flávio</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>------</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Reference: Q3 Full ChAC Call Recording: </div>
            <div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><span style="color:rgb(13,107,222)"><font color="#96607d"><a href="https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc" target="_blank">https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc</a></font> </span>(Passcode:
                ?=3YF98F)</span></div>
            <p><br>
            </p>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">
                  <p>Dear all,</p>
                  <p>I would like to reiterate that I do not see a clear
                    rationale for changing the agreement with the
                    Chapters. The fact that it has only been in force
                    for eight years is not, in itself, a problem. On the
                    contrary, it is generally desirable to have
                    agreements that are durable and remain valid over
                    time.</p>
                  <p>At this point, we have not been presented with
                    clear arguments explaining why the agreement should
                    be changed or what specifically needs to be changed.</p>
                  <p>The process seems to have moved directly to
                    requesting input on possible changes without first
                    establishing a clear understanding of their purpose
                    and rationale. This risks becoming a process without
                    a clearly stated justification or any evident
                    benefits.</p>
                  <p>Is there any analysis supporting this proposal? Are
                    there specific areas of the current agreement that
                    have created conflicts, difficulties, or identified
                    needs that should be considered?</p>
                  <p>Best regards,</p>
                  <p>Carlos Vera<br>
                    ISOC Ecuador</p>
                  <p><br>
                  </p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar, 22 sept 2026 a
                  las 23:55, Hank Nussbacher via Chapter-delegates (<<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>)
                  escribió:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div>
                    <div style="direction:ltr">
                      <div>On 17/09/2026 18:28, Flávio Rech Wagner via
                        Chapter-delegates wrote:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Hi,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>After the Q3 ChaC meeting yesterday, I think
                        it worthwhile that those who submitted changes
                        post them here since the CHaC is not allowed
                        to.  There is no limitation on someone who
                        submitted a change to voluntarily post what they
                        submitted. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>To remind everyone of the various documents:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Chapter-Charter-Agreement.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Chapter-Charter-Agreement.pdf</a> 
                        [8 year old current charter agreement]</div>
                      <div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2286649326490?s=bphineozvfi6cldkx2irs166fji8qlyf" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2286649326490?s=bphineozvfi6cldkx2irs166fji8qlyf</a></div>
                      <div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2184030150813?s=sm6wg879ouz0wcb3uuejbomrqypp1568" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2184030150813?s=sm6wg879ouz0wcb3uuejbomrqypp1568</a></div>
                      <div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/s/bmom76ebuq3m8s94gf1m4lb1vti02i32" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/s/bmom76ebuq3m8s94gf1m4lb1vti02i32</a>
                        [proposed 1st draft new charter agreement]</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>So in the context of creating a broader
                        discussion I will start with the 3 changes I
                        submitted specifically not addressed by the
                        proposed changes but rather on analysis of the
                        current proposed charter agreement as listed
                        above:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>a.  <span>Paragraph</span> <span>1</span> <span>states</span>
                        <span>"Establish</span> <span>a</span> <span>not-for-profit</span>
                        <span>(or</span> <span>similar)</span> <span>entity</span>
                        <span>within</span> <span>the</span> <span>Territory"</span>
                        <span>-</span> <span>yet</span> <span>the</span>
                        <span>word</span> <span>territory</span> <span>remains</span>
                        <span>undefined.</span> <span></span> <span>Can</span>
                        <span>territories</span> <span>overlap?</span>
                        <span></span> <span>Can</span> <span>a</span>
                        <span>single</span> <span>building</span> <span>in</span>
                        <span>a</span> <span>city</span> <span>with</span>
                        <span>40</span> <span>apartments</span> <span>be</span>
                        <span>called</span> <span>a</span> <span>territory?</span></div>
                      <div><span>b. </span><span>In</span> <span>section</span>
                        <span>3</span> <span>it</span> <span>states</span>
                        <span>"Developing,</span> <span>maintaining,</span>
                        <span>and</span> <span>adhering</span> <span>to</span>
                        <span>articles</span> <span>of</span> <span>association,</span>
                        <span>bylaws,</span> <span>or</span> <span>equivalent</span>
                        <span>governing</span> <span>documents,"</span>
                        <span>but</span> <span>there</span> <span>is</span>
                        <span>no</span> <span>requirement</span> <span>to</span>
                        <span>make</span> <span>these</span> <span>documents</span>
                        <span>public.</span> <span></span> <span>ISOC</span>
                        <span>encourages</span> <span>transparency</span>
                        <span>yet</span> <span>there</span> <span>is</span>
                        <span>no</span> <span>indication</span> <span>in</span>
                        <span>the</span> <span>revised</span> <span>charter</span>
                        <span>to</span> <span>require</span> <span>transparency</span>
                        <span>via</span> <span>making</span> <span>all</span>
                        <span>of</span> <span>those</span> <span>documents</span>
                        <span>publicly</span> <span>available.</span></div>
                      <div><span>c. </span><span>In</span> <span>section</span>
                        <span>B.1.b</span> <span>the</span> <span>term</span>
                        <span>"Good</span> <span>Standing"</span> <span>remains</span>
                        <span>undefined</span></div>
                      <div><span><br>
                        </span></div>
                      <div><span>Looking forward to hearing what others
                          submitted and to have an open discussion on
                          all the proposed amendments.</span></div>
                      <div><span><br>
                        </span></div>
                      <div><span>Regards,</span></div>
                      <div><span>Hank</span></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <p>Dear Hank</p>
                        <p>Thank you for your valuable feedback on the
                          consultation.</p>
                        <p><span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
                            Christine already expressed in a previous
                            message to this list, </span>we will now,
                          based on the feedback received so far, work on
                          the next iteration of the draft Chapter
                          Charter Agreement. Once this is ready, the
                          proposed text will then go through another,
                          final, round of community consultation. This
                          will allow all chapters that would like to
                          provide additional input to do so.</p>
                        <p><span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
                            the feedback form for the current
                            consultation did not ask contributors to
                            consent to their individual responses being
                            shared publicly, there is no plan to publish
                            individual submissions in this round. </span>We
                          regret that there was no such provision. <span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">In
                            the next consultation round, there will be a
                            clear option for chapters to indicate
                            whether their feedback may be shared
                            publicly or attributed.</span></p>
                        <p style="direction:ltr;text-align:left;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-size:16px">Although individual
                            submissions in this first round will not be
                            shared publicly, a summary of the main
                            themes raised through the consultation will
                            be shared in turn, along with an explanation
                            on how those themes were considered in the
                            next iteration of the Chapter Charter
                            Agreement revision. </span></p>
                        <p style="text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none">Best,</p>
                        <p style="text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none">Flávio</p>
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                          Hi, <br>
                          <br>
                          I submitted 3 submissions back on Aug 5 as I
                          assume many other ChAC reps have done. <br>
                          What I have not seen is an archive of
                          submissions and the status of comments/changes
                          requested. <br>
                          Can someone point me to where that might be? <br>
                          <br>
                          Regards, <br>
                          Hank Nussbacher <br>
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Instituto de Informática - Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul
Presidente da ISOC Brasil
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Prof. Flávio Rech Wagner
Instituto de Informática - Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul
Presidente da ISOC Brasil
ISOC Chapters Advisory Council - Steering Committee Chair</pre>
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