<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I am just now checking this thread, and since I bizarrely kind of like this very boring subject of reviewing governance documents, I thought dropping a few comments could, hopefully, be helpful!<ul><li>Concrete suggestions, like the ones in many comments here, are really useful for those reviewing the text. That is probably the best way to have concerns heard, not only by pointing out the issue, but also by proposing a solution or an alternative. It also helps confirm the problem is real by grounding it in concrete terms. It is really nice to see this effort from the chapters; it is rare to see a community that tries to be that efficient with their contributions, as we can see here!</li><li>ISOC usually has a good standard for documenting discussions and meetings, even when we couldn't be part of them. Although reading these materials can be tiring for that very reason, it’s useful when we are thinking about not transferring our very natural need to save time to others. Notes help a lot to avoid reviving debates that have already taken place, and to answer the most common questions that tend to arise - which is something that helps everyone involved go forward more expeditiously (which is also a very good reason to publish the contributions that chapters made to the review proposal).</li><li><span style="background-color:transparent">This last one is more of a personal note: those discussions are most productive when they receive personal/collective opinions, and the format in which those opinions are presented does not really matter. So, IMHO, it is best to avoid fully AI-generated comments. Most people use AI to review this kind of work nowadays, looking for flaws or objective possibilities of improvement, so they will likely do the same (or already have) in one phase of the review, and the suggestions an AI tool makes will be part of the process at some point. Those tools are very useful for the people organizing the inputs and adding them to the governance text, but they don't really add much to the improvement discussion (meaning the input from the community) itself.</span></li></ul><br>Very interesting comments here overall, and, again, nice to see that much engagement from our community (:<br><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://www.isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC Brazil</a> Vice-President.</span><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">NCUC</a> EC (ICANN). IODA Executive Secretary.</font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><br></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply <span aria-invalid="grammar" class="Lm ng" style="border-style:none;background:none">informing it</span>.</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 1 de out. de 2026 às 16:48, Carlos Vera via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Thank you. It was the ? in the passcode.. Also the other links work fine for Q1 and Q2.. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Carlos Vera</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue, 1 oct 2026 a las 12:18, Flávio Rech Wagner (<<a href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br" target="_blank">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>Hi Carlos</p>
<p>The link and password are working for me. Could you please check
again? If you still have problems, please contact me directly.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Flávio</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I
was trying to access this <br>
<br>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Reference:
Q3 Full ChAC Call <span><span>Recording</span></span>: </div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><span style="color:rgb(13,107,222)"><font color="#96607d"><a href="https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc" target="_blank">https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc</a></font> </span>(Passcode:
?=3YF98F)</span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)">It
seems I making some mistake in the passcode.. it says is
wrong... <br>
<br>
Is there a list of call recording to navigate? If so can
you please share here?<br>
<br>
I'm also interested in the Q2 call and others related to
the ChAC Charter (not only the Chapter Charter)<br>
<br>
Thank you for your help<br>
<br>
Carlos Vera</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 23 sept 2026 a las
13:00, Flávio Rech Wagner (<<a href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br" target="_blank">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>>)
escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Carlos</p>
<div>Regarding the rationale for updating the Chapter
Charter Agreement, please refer to the <a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/j3u43egd9wx7c0wd9cvilt85zltvo65a" target="_blank">agenda</a> and
the recording (see link and password below) of yesterday’s
Full ChAC Call.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At the bottom ("Notes" section) of the agenda there is
a note as a reminder of the rationale and context behind
the revision of the Chapter Charter Agreement, referring
to the ChAC Action Plan for 2026 (shared with the ChAC
during the Q1 Full ChAC Call) and to the Chapter DNA
document (presented during the Q2 Full ChAC Call), with
appropriate links.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The current consultation on a new version of the
Chapter Charter Agreement is thus a subsequent step in
this process and follows those two previous steps, that
were presented and discussed with all ChAC representatives
during the Q1 and Q2 Full ChAC Calls.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Flávio</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Reference: Q3 Full ChAC Call Recording: </div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(42,43,45)"><span style="color:rgb(13,107,222)"><font color="#96607d"><a href="https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc" target="_blank">https://isoc.zoom.us/rec/share/-6XJLwXG9it9gUe22AJyJg85kf_4LurDocT_AQ0jDXmlR4yRGtWvRn_d8p457U9K.SUUs5mPPssT488Pc</a></font> </span>(Passcode:
?=3YF98F)</span></div>
<p><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">
<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I would like to reiterate that I do not see a clear
rationale for changing the agreement with the
Chapters. The fact that it has only been in force
for eight years is not, in itself, a problem. On the
contrary, it is generally desirable to have
agreements that are durable and remain valid over
time.</p>
<p>At this point, we have not been presented with
clear arguments explaining why the agreement should
be changed or what specifically needs to be changed.</p>
<p>The process seems to have moved directly to
requesting input on possible changes without first
establishing a clear understanding of their purpose
and rationale. This risks becoming a process without
a clearly stated justification or any evident
benefits.</p>
<p>Is there any analysis supporting this proposal? Are
there specific areas of the current agreement that
have created conflicts, difficulties, or identified
needs that should be considered?</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Carlos Vera<br>
ISOC Ecuador</p>
<p><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar, 22 sept 2026 a
las 23:55, Hank Nussbacher via Chapter-delegates (<<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>)
escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style="direction:ltr">
<div>On 17/09/2026 18:28, Flávio Rech Wagner via
Chapter-delegates wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After the Q3 ChaC meeting yesterday, I think
it worthwhile that those who submitted changes
post them here since the CHaC is not allowed
to. There is no limitation on someone who
submitted a change to voluntarily post what they
submitted. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To remind everyone of the various documents:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Chapter-Charter-Agreement.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Chapter-Charter-Agreement.pdf</a>
[8 year old current charter agreement]</div>
<div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2286649326490?s=bphineozvfi6cldkx2irs166fji8qlyf" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2286649326490?s=bphineozvfi6cldkx2irs166fji8qlyf</a></div>
<div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2184030150813?s=sm6wg879ouz0wcb3uuejbomrqypp1568" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/notes/2184030150813?s=sm6wg879ouz0wcb3uuejbomrqypp1568</a></div>
<div><a href="https://isoc.app.box.com/s/bmom76ebuq3m8s94gf1m4lb1vti02i32" target="_blank">https://isoc.app.box.com/s/bmom76ebuq3m8s94gf1m4lb1vti02i32</a>
[proposed 1st draft new charter agreement]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So in the context of creating a broader
discussion I will start with the 3 changes I
submitted specifically not addressed by the
proposed changes but rather on analysis of the
current proposed charter agreement as listed
above:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>a. <span>Paragraph</span> <span>1</span> <span>states</span>
<span>"Establish</span> <span>a</span> <span>not-for-profit</span>
<span>(or</span> <span>similar)</span> <span>entity</span>
<span>within</span> <span>the</span> <span>Territory"</span>
<span>-</span> <span>yet</span> <span>the</span>
<span>word</span> <span>territory</span> <span>remains</span>
<span>undefined.</span> <span></span> <span>Can</span>
<span>territories</span> <span>overlap?</span>
<span></span> <span>Can</span> <span>a</span>
<span>single</span> <span>building</span> <span>in</span>
<span>a</span> <span>city</span> <span>with</span>
<span>40</span> <span>apartments</span> <span>be</span>
<span>called</span> <span>a</span> <span>territory?</span></div>
<div><span>b. </span><span>In</span> <span>section</span>
<span>3</span> <span>it</span> <span>states</span>
<span>"Developing,</span> <span>maintaining,</span>
<span>and</span> <span>adhering</span> <span>to</span>
<span>articles</span> <span>of</span> <span>association,</span>
<span>bylaws,</span> <span>or</span> <span>equivalent</span>
<span>governing</span> <span>documents,"</span>
<span>but</span> <span>there</span> <span>is</span>
<span>no</span> <span>requirement</span> <span>to</span>
<span>make</span> <span>these</span> <span>documents</span>
<span>public.</span> <span></span> <span>ISOC</span>
<span>encourages</span> <span>transparency</span>
<span>yet</span> <span>there</span> <span>is</span>
<span>no</span> <span>indication</span> <span>in</span>
<span>the</span> <span>revised</span> <span>charter</span>
<span>to</span> <span>require</span> <span>transparency</span>
<span>via</span> <span>making</span> <span>all</span>
<span>of</span> <span>those</span> <span>documents</span>
<span>publicly</span> <span>available.</span></div>
<div><span>c. </span><span>In</span> <span>section</span>
<span>B.1.b</span> <span>the</span> <span>term</span>
<span>"Good</span> <span>Standing"</span> <span>remains</span>
<span>undefined</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Looking forward to hearing what others
submitted and to have an open discussion on
all the proposed amendments.</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Regards,</span></div>
<div><span>Hank</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Dear Hank</p>
<p>Thank you for your valuable feedback on the
consultation.</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
Christine already expressed in a previous
message to this list, </span>we will now,
based on the feedback received so far, work on
the next iteration of the draft Chapter
Charter Agreement. Once this is ready, the
proposed text will then go through another,
final, round of community consultation. This
will allow all chapters that would like to
provide additional input to do so.</p>
<p><span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
the feedback form for the current
consultation did not ask contributors to
consent to their individual responses being
shared publicly, there is no plan to publish
individual submissions in this round. </span>We
regret that there was no such provision. <span style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">In
the next consultation round, there will be a
clear option for chapters to indicate
whether their feedback may be shared
publicly or attributed.</span></p>
<p style="direction:ltr;text-align:left;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-size:16px">Although individual
submissions in this first round will not be
shared publicly, a summary of the main
themes raised through the consultation will
be shared in turn, along with an explanation
on how those themes were considered in the
next iteration of the Chapter Charter
Agreement revision. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none">Best,</p>
<p style="text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none">Flávio</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Hi, <br>
<br>
I submitted 3 submissions back on Aug 5 as I
assume many other ChAC reps have done. <br>
What I have not seen is an archive of
submissions and the status of comments/changes
requested. <br>
Can someone point me to where that might be? <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
Hank Nussbacher <br>
ISOC-IL </blockquote>
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