<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Hi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Jason Livingood sent over an invitation to an IAB online workshop about IP addresses and geolocation. There's a great deal that the giant companies are considering with many implications.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I can confirm that IETF/IAB events are open to wide participation and your voice will be heard. Jason is a former board member of ISOC. I'm sure he can ease your participation. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The IETF/IAB has a group of friends who have</span> worked together for a decade or more. But they do want newcomers, even if they seem standoffish. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Ping me  if you want to know more. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:daveb@dslprime.com">daveb@dslprime.com</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/ipgeows/about/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/ipgeows/about/</a><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Workshop Description</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">This workshop aims to understand the current use cases for publishing, discovering, and consuming IP address geolocation data ('IP-geo' hereafter). It will also explore areas for improvement, both in ways to update or replace IP geolocation mechanisms, and to consider mechanisms that satisfy the use cases without relying on IP addresses.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The IAB seeks short position papers on the topics listed below. This list is non-exhaustive and should be interpreted broadly.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Today's Use Cases: How is IP-geo data used today? In particular, what are the root challenges, technical needs, or business needs that IP-geo data is being leveraged to address?</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Gaps and Problems: What are gaps or problems with the current approaches being used by industry? Are there preferences for particular file types? How effective are current approaches? What are the impacts on user privacy?</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Future Opportunities: If we re-designed technical solutions to address the motivating use cases, what would those solutions look like? Are there alternative approaches that can avoid the gaps and problems we have today? Is there value in conveying other information in addition to or instead of geography, such as type of last mile network connection?</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">All inputs submitted and considered relevant will be published on the workshop website. The organizers will issue invitations based on the submissions received. Sessions will be organized according to content, and not every accepted submission or invited attendee will have an opportunity to present; the intent is to foster an active discussion and not simply to have a sequence of presentations. A workshop report covering all submissions and the workshop discussion will be published afterwards.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Call for Papers</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The workshop will be held online in three 2-to-3-hour sessions spread over the first week of December 2025.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The workshop will be by invitation only. Those wishing to attend should submit a "position paper" or "expressions of interest" to address the above topics and questions. Paper length is limited to 3 pages; brevity is encouraged and PDF format is preferred. All inputs submitted and considered relevant will be published on the workshop website, so do not include any confidential information. Position papers from those not planning to attend the workshop themselves are also encouraged.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Not every accepted submission or invited attendee will have an opportunity to present; the intent is to foster an active discussion and not simply to have a sequence of presentations. The workshop may also include breakout sessions.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">A workshop report covering all submissions and discussions will be published afterward.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Please indicate your interest by submitting a position paper or expression of interest by 19 September 2025 to </span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><mai</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">lto:</span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">In-Scope Topics</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The following topics are considered in-scope; however, this list is non-exhaustive:</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Actionable requirements for IP address geolocation, including:</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   How applications that use IP-geo information leverage this data, such as search engines, video streaming platforms, Content Delivery Networks (CDNs), speed test sites, etc. What challenges, technical requirements, or business requirements does IP-geo data currently address?</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Formatting of IP-geo files, including Comma Separated Value (CSV), JavaScript Object Notation (JSON), and text files</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Methods and frequency of updating, publishing, distributing, and consuming IP-geo data</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Trust and privacy issues related to IP-geo data</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Gaps and problems in current IP-geo approaches</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Alternative approaches to addressing use cases that may not involve IP-geo</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Logistics</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Initial submissions due: 2025-10-03 (Earlier submissions are appreciated) via email to </span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><mai</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">lto:</span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Invitations Issued by: 2025-10-24</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Workshop Location: Online</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Workshop Dates: 3 days, dates TBD, week of 1-5 December 2025</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Workshop Times: 2-3 hours (XX:00 - XX:00 UTC, TBD) each day</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Program Committee: Glenn Deen (SVTA, NBCUniversal), Jana Iyengar (IAB, Netflix), Mirja Kühlewind (IAB, Ericsson) Warren Kumari (IAB, Google), Jason Livingood (IAB, Comcast), Tommy Pauly (IAB, Apple)</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">  *   Contact the Program Committee with any further questions: </span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><mai</span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">lto:</span><a href="mailto:ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ip-geo-workshop-pc@iab.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">>.</span><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></div></div>